[188181] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Cogent - Google - HE Fun
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Thu Mar 10 12:33:26 2016
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAP-guGXVxZGAQdqjRz9QRGjPndOXNAkjEpqS2bxv0Rb=hL+MMg@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 09:31:00 -0800
To: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
> On Mar 10, 2016, at 09:29 , William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
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> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
>>> On Mar 10, 2016, at 08:24 , Chris Adams <cma@cmadams.net> wrote:
>>> Once upon a time, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> said:
>>>> In fairness, however, this is because he is not Google=E2=80=99s =
customer, he
>>>> is Google=E2=80=99s product.
>>>=20
>>> False supposition; Google does actually sell services as well. =
$DAYJOB
>>> pays Google for services, and has paid Cogent for network access.
>>=20
>> Not my assumption=E2=80=A6 Assumption included from Bill Herrin=E2=80=99=
s message=E2=80=A6
>>=20
>>> Google, by contrast, makes no demand that Cogent pay them even =
though
>>> you are not paying Google for service.
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> Guys, that would be an important distinction if Cogent were providing
> Dennis with free service. They're not. Regardless of what Google does
> or doesn't do, Dennis pays Cogent to connect him to the wide Internet
> which emphatically includes Google. I'm sorry I said anything at all
> about Dennis' relationship with Google because that is immaterial to
> whether Cogent is honorably fulfilling its contract with Dennis.
Which doesn=E2=80=99t disagree with anything I said.
Owen
