[187159] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Matthew D. Hardeman)
Thu Jan 21 13:44:59 2016
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: "Matthew D. Hardeman" <mhardeman@ipifony.com>
In-Reply-To: <FA80D766-20D9-4E1A-B944-853FF73E1DEB@hammerfiber.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:44:56 -0600
To: Daniel Corbe <dcorbe@hammerfiber.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
I=E2=80=99m inclined to agree with you, subject to some caveats:
1. I think more Cogent customers need to be more vocal about it. There =
hasn=E2=80=99t been an impetus to do so until recently. Now real people =
(not network engineer sorts) are starting to use IPv6 for real.
2. I agree with you in principle. In an idea world, take HE and two =
others. I would however still say that if you could only take two, take =
HE and take something other than Cogent. It=E2=80=99s a win-win if the =
experience of single-home Cogent customers gets to be worse as a result. =
Perhaps having things occasionally break =E2=80=94 only for single-home =
Cogent customers =E2=80=94 is a benefit.
> On Jan 21, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Daniel Corbe <dcorbe@hammerfiber.com> =
wrote:
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>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman =
<mhardeman@ipifony.com> wrote:
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>> Since Cogent is clearly the bad actor here (the burden being Cogent's =
to prove otherwise because HE is publicly on record as saying that =
they=E2=80=99d love to peer with Cogent), I=E2=80=99m giving serious =
consideration to dropping Cogent come renewal time and utilizing NTT or =
Zayo instead.
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>> While that would not immediately solve the problem that if the NTT or =
Zayo link went down, single-homed Cogent customers would loose access to =
me via IPv6, I=E2=80=99m actually ok with that. It at least lets =
ensures that when there is a problem, the problem affects only =
single-home Cogent clients. Thus, the problem is borne exclusively by =
the people who pay the bad actor who is causing this problem. That =
tends to get uncomfortable for the payee (i.e. Cogent).
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> Take two transit providers that aren=E2=80=99t in the group of (HE, =
Cogent). Cogent is probably banking on this being the response; =
figuring that they have the financial resources to outlast HE if =
they=E2=80=99re both shedding customers. =20
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> If you really wanted to stick it to Cogent, take 3 transit providers: =
HE and two of any other providers besides Cogent. =20
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> Cogent clearly aren=E2=80=99t going to cave to their own customers =
asking them to peer with HE. Otherwise it would have happened by now. =20=
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> Cogent sucks for lots of reasons and this one isn=E2=80=99t even in =
the top 5 IMHO.
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