[186905] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mike Hammett)
Sat Jan 9 00:17:01 2016
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 23:16:54 -0600 (CST)
From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <B02ACD4F-25E6-448E-B536-AAFAEC96A301@delong.com>
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Mine has a 6" display and I know it's rare... because people always comment=
on how big it is.=20
Many\most do HDMI out. About 14 people know about it. Maybe 4 actually do i=
t with any level of regularity. Opt out if it's an issue for you.=20
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From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com>=20
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>=20
Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org>=20
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:57:32 PM=20
Subject: Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.=
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You are assuming a 4=E2=80=9D display.=20
First, lots of phones these days (mine include) larger than 4=E2=80=9D disp=
lays.=20
Even more phones, again, mine included, have HDMI output.=20
And you better believe I notice the difference on a 32=E2=80=9D TV in a hot=
el room.=20
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> On Jan 8, 2016, at 20:25 , Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:=20
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> I'm not certain that most consumers notice or care. How many people can n=
otice 480p vs. 720p vs. 1080p on a 4" display? Now how many will notice the=
buffering or larger bills?=20
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> ----- Original Message -----=20
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> From: "Constantine A. Murenin" <mureninc@gmail.com>=20
> To: "Valdis Kletnieks" <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>=20
> Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org>=20
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:07:06 PM=20
> Subject: Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.=
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> On 7 January 2016 at 19:43, Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wr=
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>> So we went round and round back in November regarding Binge On! and whet=
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>> it was net neutrality. So here's some closure to that...=20
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>> The EFF did some testing and discovered that what T-Mobile is actually d=
oing=20
>> doesn't match what they said it was...=20
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>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/01/eff-confirms-t-mobiles-bingeon-opt=
imization-just-throttling-applies=20
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>> Apparently, John Legere, CEO of T-Mobile, doesn't know who the EFF is,=
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>> or why they're giving him a hard time.=20
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>> "Part B of my answer is, who the fuck are you, anyway, EFF?" Legere said=
. "Why=20
>> are you stirring up so much trouble, and who pays you?"=20
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>> http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/7/10733298/john-legere-binge-on-lie=20
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>> /me makes popcorn....=20
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> I don't know what people have been smoking, but I'd like to set the=20
> record straight, once and for all.=20
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> T-Mobile US said that ALL video will be affected from day 0!=20
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> Here's my comment on=20
> https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/3sbbm5/netflix_hbo_gonow_sling_=
tv_showtime_hulu_espn_and/cwx16ya=20
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> 2015-11-11: =C2=ABDidn't T-Mobile say that all videos will automatically =
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> at 480p from that point on? If so, what's really the point of an extra=20
> step, you know, of the service explicitly "applying" to participate?=C2=
=BB=20
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> I've taken the time to find the source material that must have made me=20
> make such a comment, and, I FOUND IT!=20
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> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/media-kits/un-carrier-x.htm=20
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>> Los Angeles, California =E2=80=94 November 10, 2015=20
> ...=20
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>> Powered by new technology built in to T-Mobile=E2=80=99s network, Binge =
On optimizes video for mobile screens, minimizing data consumption while st=
ill delivering DVD or better quality (e.g. 480p or better). That means more=
reliable streaming for services that stream free with Binge On, and for al=
most all other video, it means T-Mobile Simple Choice customers can watch u=
p to three times more video from their data plan. And, as always, T-Mobile =
has put customers in total control with a switch to activate or deactivate =
Binge On for each line in their My T-Mobile account. Binge On is all about =
customer choice.=20
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> Here it is again, the relevant bits:=20
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>> for almost all other video, it means T-Mobile Simple Choice customers ca=
n watch up to three times more video from their data plan=20
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> Those words have certainly been there since at least 2015-11-11!=20
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> HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT!=20
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> Just like the rest of the increases in ARPU and other metrics.=20
> Unlimited 4G didn't just have the tethering bucket increased from 7GB=20
> to 14GB, but the price went from 80$ to 95$, too. (And that doesn't=20
> include the earlier increase from 70$ to 80$, either.)=20
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> Oh, and, to answer EFF's question on why it's enabled by default:=20
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> https://youtu.be/MHFUT1_QlB8?t=3D47s=20
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>>>>> Since it's launched in November, we've learned customers were watchin=
g 12% more video.=20
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> It is not explicit that "12%" refers to a minute-based metric, but=20
> that's most certainly what was meant.=20
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> Now, compare this with the 66,6% savings by throttling all video to=20
> 1.5Mbps, so that "customers can watch up to three times more video",=20
> and the net effects of unlimited binge on become quite clear (and=20
> quite counter-intuitive to a naive guess on the matter).=20
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> That said, I have to say I'm disappointed with him going against his=20
> own consumers this time around. The only truth from his=20
> https://youtu.be/MHFUT1_QlB8 video is that, indeed, if the Dumb and=20
> Dumber would have implemented this functionality first, the carriers=20
> indeed would have found a way to charge extra for it!=20
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> Cheers,=20
> Constantine.SU.=20
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