[186513] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Nat
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Keith Medcalf)
Sun Dec 20 23:06:30 2015
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 21:06:26 -0700
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From: "Keith Medcalf" <kmedcalf@dessus.com>
To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. If people cho=
ose to be the authors of their own misfortunes, that is their choice. I kn=
ow a good many folks who are not members of NANOG yet have multiple separat=
e L2 and L3 networks to keep the "crap" isolated.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+kmedcalf=3Ddessus.com@nanog.org] On Beh=
alf
> Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Sunday, 20 December, 2015 20:37
> Cc: North American Network Operators Group
> Subject: Re: Nat
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> We can't get people to use passwords judiciously (create them at all for
> WiFi, change them, use more than one, etc.) and now you want them to
> manage networks?
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> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: "Randy Fischer" <randy.fischer@gmail.com>
> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>
> Cc: "North American Network Operators Group" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 9:34:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Nat
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> On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote=
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> Most people couldn't care less and just want the Internet on their device
> to work.
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> Well, if the best practice for CPE routers included as a matter of course
> the subnets "connected to internet", "local only (e.g. IoT)" and "guest
> network", and if they just worked, then they wouldn't mind that either.
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> A friend of mine used to refer to this as 'refrigerator consciousness" -
> he was a gearhead, so it was a pejorative. Instead, I think of it as a
> design goal.
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> -Randy Fischer
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