[186351] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rich Brown)
Fri Dec 11 10:37:59 2015
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From: Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:37:52 -0500
To: nanog@nanog.org
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> On Dec 11, 2015, at 7:00 AM, Chris Adams <cma@cmadams.net>wrote:
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> Once upon a time, Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> said:
>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, William Kenny
>> <william.r.kenny@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> is that still net neutrality?
>>=20
>> who cares? mobile was excepted from the NN rulings.
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> Any why the desire for extra regulation for Internet services?
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> Shippers (you know, actual Common Carriers) do things like this all =
the
> time, especially when they are busy (congested). I had a package ship
> Tuesday; it sat at the receiving location for 24 hours before the =
first
> move, then it reached my city early this morning, but since I didn't =
pay
> extra for timed delivery (and the shipper doesn't have special
> arrangements), it didn't go on a truck today. I should get it =
tomorrow.
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> I could have paid more to get it faster, and some large-scale shippers
> have special arrangements that seem to get their packages priority. =
How
> is this different from Internet traffic?
I think this conflates arrangements that retailers/shippers make with =
each other and the agreements that consumers have with their own network =
supplier.=20
a) As a customer of a retailer that ships physical packages, my contract =
is with the retailer. They promise to deliver on a certain date, or they =
yell at the shipper.
b) As an *network subscriber*, my contract/agreement is with my =
(cable/DSL/satellite/mobile) ISP. I pay them to deliver my bits - =
without any discussion of where they come from. Most of these agreements =
don't provide much of a service level. But I still have the =
understanding that *all* data coming to/from me will have substantially =
the rate, latency, and packet loss that is advertised.=20
Specifically, I have the expectation that data from two streams (say, =
one from a Binge On participant, one from an unsubsidized source like an =
Ubuntu ISO download) should arrive with substantially the same rate, =
latency and packet loss.
I can then remain ignorant/uninvolved with whether any source wants to =
use CDNs, or to subsidize a subscriber's data plan, or make any other =
arrangement between the data source and the intervening providers. As =
long as data is arriving at the contracted rate, I am getting what I =
paid for.
Isn't that a useful and testable basis for understanding Net Neutrality? =
Doesn't this address (at least part of) the argument about guaranteeing =
equal access to all content whether subsidized or not?
