[186041] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Mon Nov 23 21:07:51 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAPkb-7Axwpq9NwF=KVcqvWJGAS1QYhEH6XxO_MhbH1ahfUJf=A@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 18:05:44 -0800
To: Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
> On Nov 23, 2015, at 17:28 , Baldur Norddahl =
<baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 24 November 2015 at 00:22, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
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>> Are there a significant number (ANY?) streaming video providers using =
UDP
>> to deliver their streams?
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> What else could we have that is UDP based? Ah voice calls. Video =
calls.
> Stuff that requires low latency and where TCP retransmit of stale data =
is
> bad. Media without buffering because it is real time.
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> And why would a telco want to zero rate all the bandwidth heavy media =
with
> certain exceptions? Like not zero rating media that happens to compete =
with
> some of their own services, such as voice calls and video calls.
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> Yes sounds like net neutrality to me too (or not!).
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> Regards,
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> Baldur
All T-Mobile plans include unlimited 128kbps data, so a voice call is =
effectively
already zero-rated for all practical purposes.
I guess the question is: Is it better for the consumer to pay for =
everything equally,
or, is it reasonable for carriers to be able to give away some free data =
without opening
it up to everything?
To me, net neutrality isn=E2=80=99t as much about what you charge the =
customer for the data, it=E2=80=99s about
whether you prioritize certain classes of traffic to the detriment of =
others in terms of
service delivery.
If T-Mobile were taking money from the video streaming services or only =
accepting
certain video streaming services, I=E2=80=99d likely agree with you that =
this is a neutrality
issue.
However, in this case, it appears to me that they aren=E2=80=99t trying =
to give an advantage to
any particular competing streaming video service over the other, they =
aren=E2=80=99t taking
money from participants in the program, and consumers stand to benefit =
from it.
If you see an actual way in which it=E2=80=99s better for everyone if =
T-Mobile weren=E2=80=99t doing this,
then please explain it. If not, then this strikes me as harmless and =
overall benefits
consumers.
Owen
