[184823] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: IPv6 Irony.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Nicholas Warren)
Thu Oct 22 08:34:14 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Nicholas Warren <nwarren@barryelectric.com>
To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:34:07 +0000
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Worth*
Thank you,
- Nich Warren
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas Warren
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:26 AM
> To: Masataka Ohta
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: IPv6 Irony.
>
> Can anyone tell me if the document he linked is work reading? I am
> currently
> connected to an IPv6 only network and can't get to it.
>
> Thank you,
> - Nich Warren
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Masataka Ohta
> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 1:43 AM
> > To: Mark Andrews
> > Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> > Subject: Re: IPv6 Irony.
> >
> > Mark Andrews wrote:
> >
> > >>> Customer support, especially network troubleshootings and so on...
> > >>
> > >> Customer support for IPv6 costs a lot, at least because of:
> > >>
> > >> 1) Unnecessarily lengthy IP addresses, not recognized by most, if
> > not
> > >> all, customers
> > >>
> > >> 2) Lack of so promised automatic renumbering
> > >
> > > Upgrade the vendors. Nodes already renumber themselves automatically
> > > when a new prefix appears.
> >
> > Can the nodes treat multiple prefixes on multiple (virtual) interfaces
> for
> > smooth ISP handover?
> >
> > > Nodes can update their addresses in the DNS if the want to securely
> > > using DNS UPDATE and TSIG / SIG(0).
> >
> > How much is the customer support cost for the service?
> >
> > > This isn't rocket science. Firewall vendors could supply tools to
> > > allow nodes to update their addresses in the firewall. They could
> > > even co-ordinate through a standards body. It isn't that hard to take
> > > names, turn them into addresses and push out new firewall rules on
> > > demand as address associated with those names change.
> >
> > As I and my colleague developed protocol suites to automatically
> renumber
> > multihomed hosts and routers
> >
> > The Basic Procedures of Hierarchical Automatic Locator Number Allocation
> > Protocol HANA
> > http://delivery.acm.org/10.1145/2090000/2089037/p124-
> >
> kenji.pdf?ip=131.112.32.134&id=2089037&acc=ACTIVE%20SERVICE&key=D2341B890A
> >
> D12BFE.E857D5F645C75AE5.4D4702B0C3E38B35.4D4702B0C3E38B35&CFID=723424660&C
> > FTOKEN=36506659&__acm__=1445495785_e3533480d8843be13ab34593a1faf194
> >
> > which is now extended for DNS update including glue, I know it is
> doable.
> >
> > But, as it is a lot more simpler to do so with IPv4 with NAT, 48 bit
> > address space by NAT is large enough and NAT can enjoy end to end
> > transparency, I see no point to use IPv6 here.
> >
> > Automatic renumbering of IPv6 *WAS* promising, because it was not
> > necessary to replace existing IPv4-only boxes.
> >
> > Masataka Ohta
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