[184600] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: /27 the new /24
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Fri Oct 9 16:04:02 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <CABNB40X6YUHR=JW0wRFxvvm2EeF0f6nyhi30V2rbYrJidmtqvg@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 16:04:02 -0400
To: Jeremy Austin <jhaustin@gmail.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org, James Jun <james@towardex.com>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 11:24 PM, Jeremy Austin <jhaustin@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 3:25 PM, James Jun <james@towardex.com> wrote:
>=20
>>=20
>> If you want choices in your transit providers, you should get a =
transport
>> circuit (dark, wave or EPL) to a nearby carrier hotel/data center. =
Once
>> you do that, you will suddenly find that virtually almost everyone in =
the
>> competitive IP transit market will provide you with dual-stacked =
IPv4/IPv6
>> service.
>>=20
>=20
> The future is here, but it isn't evenly distributed yet. I'm in North
> America, but there are no IXPs in my *state*, let alone in my =
*continent*
> -- from an undersea fiber perspective. There is no truly competitive =
IP
> transit market within Alaska that I am aware of. Would love to be =
proved
> wrong. Heck, GCI and ACS (the two providers with such fiber) only =
directly
> peered a handful of years ago.
Alaska is in the same continent as Canda and the Contiguous US.
VANIX (Vancouver), CIX (Calgary), Manitoba-IX (Winnipeg), WPGIX =
(WInnipeg), TORIX (Toronto),
and an exchange in Montreal (I forget the name) exist as well as a few =
others in Canada (I think
there=E2=80=99s even one out in the maritimes).
There are tons of exchanges all over the contiguous US.
I=E2=80=99m surprised that there isn=E2=80=99t yet an exchange point in =
Juneau or Anchorage, but that
does, indeed, appear to be the case. Perhaps you should work with some =
other ISPs
in your state to form one.
According to this:
http://www.alaskaunited.com <http://www.alaskaunited.com/>
There is subsea fiber to several points in AK from Seattle and beyond.
And on a continental basis, quite a bit of undersea fiber in other =
landing stations
around the coastal areas of the contiguous 48.
>> If you are buying DIA circuit from some $isp to your rural location =
that
>> you call "head-end" and are expecting to receive a competitive =
service,
>> and support for IPv6, well, then your expectations are either =
unreasonable,
>> ignorant or both.
>>=20
>=20
> Interestingly both statewide providers *do* provide both IPv4 and IPv6
> peering. The trick is to find a spot where there's true price =
competition.
> The 3 largest statewide ISPs have fiber that meets a mere three city =
blocks
> from one of my POPs, but there's no allowable IX. I'm looking at you, =
AT&T.
I=E2=80=99m not sure what you mean by =E2=80=9Callowable IX=E2=80=9D, to =
the best of my knowledge, anyone
can build an IX anywhere.
Owen
