[184359] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brett A Mansfield)
Fri Oct 2 11:10:05 2015
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From: Brett A Mansfield <lists@silverlakeinternet.com>
In-Reply-To: <BY1PR0701MB1781B3F09D44A77B0723F778FA4B0@BY1PR0701MB1781.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 08:56:54 -0600
To: Steve Mikulasik <Steve.Mikulasik@civeo.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
The problem with this is some of us smaller guys don't have the ability to g=
et IPv6 addresses from our upstream providers that don't support it. And eve=
n if we did do dual stack, then we're paying for both IPv4 and IPv6 addresse=
s. The cost is just too high. ARIN should give anyone with a current IPv4 ad=
dress block a free equivalently sized IPv6 block (256 IPv4 =3D 256 /56s or o=
ne /48 IPv6). If they did that, there would be a lot more IPv6 adoption in d=
ual stack.=20
I don't understand why anyone would give an end user a /48. That is over 65,=
000 individual devices. A /56 is 256 devices which is the standard /24 IPv4.=
What home user has that many devices??? A /56 to the home should be standar=
d. Based on giving each customer a /56, I could run my entire small ISP off a=
single /48. I know there are a lot of IP addresses in the IPv6 realm, but w=
hy waste them? At the rate were going, everything will have an IP address so=
on. Maybe one day each item of your clothing will need their own IP address t=
o tell you if it's time to wash or if it needs repair. Stranger things have h=
appened.=20
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Steve Mikulasik <Steve.Mikulasik@civeo.com> wr=
ote:
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> I think more focus needs to be for carriers to deliver dual stack to their=
customers door step, whether they demand/use it or not. Small ISPs are prob=
ably in the best position to do this and will help push the big boys along w=
ith time. If we follow the network effect (reason why IPv4 lives and IPv6 is=
slowly growing), IPv6 needs more nodes, all other efforts are meaningless i=
f they do not result in more users having IPv6 delivered to their door.=20
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> I think people get too lost in the weeds when they start focusing on devic=
e support, home router support, user knowledge, etc. Just get it working to t=
he people and we can figure out the rest later.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mark Andrews
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 6:01 PM
> To: Matthew Newton <mcn4@leicester.ac.uk>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption
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> In message <20151001232613.GD123100@rootmail.cc.le.ac.uk>, Matthew Newton w=
rites:
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> Additionally it is now a OLD addressing protocol. We are about to see you=
ng adults that have never lived in a world without IPv6. It may not have be=
en universally available when they were born but it was available. There ar=
e definitely school leavers that have never lived in a world where IPv6 did n=
ot exist. My daughter will be one of them next year when she finishes year 1=
2. IPv6 is 7 months older than she is.
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> Some of us have been running IPv6 in production for over a decade now and d=
eveloping products that support IPv6 even longer.
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> We have had 17 years to build up a universal IPv6 network. It should have=
been done by now.
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> Mark
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>> --
>> Matthew Newton, Ph.D. <mcn4@le.ac.uk>
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>> Systems Specialist, Infrastructure Services, I.T. Services, University=20=
>> of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, United Kingdom
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>> For IT help contact helpdesk extn. 2253, <ithelp@le.ac.uk>
> --
> Mark Andrews, ISC
> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
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