[184290] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Thu Oct 1 16:45:54 2015
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From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <560D844E.9010308@xyonet.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 13:44:46 -0700
To: Curtis Maurand <cmaurand@xyonet.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 12:06 , Curtis Maurand <cmaurand@xyonet.com> wrote:
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> On 10/1/2015 2:29 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 00:39 , Baldur Norddahl =
<baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On 1 October 2015 at 03:26, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
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>>>> Windows XP does IPv6 fine so long as there is a IPv4 recursive
>>>> server available. It's just a simple command to install IPv6.
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>>>> netsh interface ipv6 install
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>>> If the customer knew how to do that he wouldn't still be using =
Windows XP.
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>>>> Actually I don't expect Gmail and Facebook to be IPv4 only forever.
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>>> Gmail and Facebook are already dual stack enabled. But I do not see
>>> Facebook turning off IPv4 for a very long time. Therefore a customer =
that
>>> only uses the Internet for a few basic things will be able to get =
along
>>> with being IPv4-only for a very long time.
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>> Yes and no=E2=80=A6
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>> I think you are right about facebook.
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>> However, I think eventually the residential ISPs are going to start =
charging extra
>> for IPv4 service. Some residences may pay for it initially, but if =
they think there=E2=80=99s a
>> way to move away from it and the ISPs start fingerpointing to the =
specific laggards,
>> you=E2=80=99ll see a groundswell of consumers pushing to find =
alternatives.
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>> Owen
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> ipv6 is going to force a lot of consumers to replace hardware. Worse, =
it's not easy to set up and get right as ipv4 is.
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> --Curtis
You=E2=80=99re going to have to elaborate on that one=E2=80=A6. I think =
IPv6 is actually quite a bit easier than IPv4, so please explicate
in what ways it is harder to set up and get right?
For the average household, it=E2=80=99s plug the IPv6-capable router in =
and let it go.
For more advanced environments, it might take nearly as much effort as =
IPv4 and the unfamiliarity might add a couple
of additional challenges the first time, but once you get past that, =
IPv6 has a lot of features that actually make it
easier than IPv4.
Not having to deal with NAT being just one of the big ones.
Owen
