[183129] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Matthew Huff)
Sat Aug 15 09:41:00 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Matthew Huff <mhuff@ox.com>
To: Jordan Hamilton <jhamilton@empiredistrict.com>, "nanog@nanog.org"
<nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 13:40:54 +0000
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It's only partially about net neutrality. Cogent provides cheap bandwidth f=
or content providers, and sends a lot of traffic to eyeball networks. In th=
e past, peering partners expected symmetrical load sharing. Cogent feels th=
at eyeball networks should be happy to carry their traffic since the custom=
ers want their services, the eyeball networks want Cogent to pay them extra=
. When there is congestion, neither side wants to upgrade their peeing unti=
l this is resolved, so they haven't. This has been going on for at least 5 =
years, and happens all over the cogent peering map.
Depending on what protocol you are using, it can be an issue or not. Our en=
d users on eyeball networks had difficulty maintaining VPN connections. We =
had to drop our Cogent upstream and work with our remaining upstream provid=
es to traffic engineer around Cogent. YMMV.
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-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Hamilton
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 5:31 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent=
in Dallas=20
I have several customers that are having packet loss issues, the packet los=
s appears to be associated with a Cogent router interface of 38.104.86.222.=
My upstream provider is telling me that the packet loss is being caused b=
y a net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Quest and Cogent in D=
allas. I did some quick googling to see if I could come up with any articl=
es or something like that I could provide to my customers and did not see a=
nything. Anyone know any details?
Thanks
Jordan Hamilton
Senior Telecommunications Engineer
Empire District Electric Co.
720 Schifferdecker
PO Box 127
Joplin, MO 64802
Ph: 417-625-4223
Cell: 417-388-3351
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