[182403] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Remember "Internet-In-A-Box"?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Thu Jul 16 02:55:29 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <55A74525.8030405@matthew.at>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 23:54:03 -0700
To: Matthew Kaufman <matthew@matthew.at>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
> On Jul 15, 2015, at 22:46 , Matthew Kaufman <matthew@matthew.at> =
wrote:
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> On 7/15/15 7:32 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
>>=20
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>> Go to any business with hardware that is 3-5 years old in its IT
>> infrastructure and devices ranging from PCs running XP to the random
>> consumer gear people bring in (cameras, printers, tablets, etc.) and =
see
>> how easy it is to get everything talking on an IPv6-only (no IPv4 at
>> all) network... including using IPv6 to do automatic updates and all =
the
>> other pieces that need to work. We're nowhere near ready for that.
>> None of which is the fault of the protocol. Blame the equipement =
vendors
>> for being negligent.
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> I could blame the people doing IT in those environments too, but that =
doesn't make it so that nobody needs IPv4 addresses to deploy servers to =
keep talking to these folks.
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> Matthew Kaufman
Need is not the problem. Availability is a problem now. It=92s going to =
be a more difficult problem in the future.
The sooner we get to where they are using IPv6 even if they=92re just =
dual-stacked, the sooner availability becomes less of a problem due to =
the elimination of need.
Since availability isn=92t going to get better, really, the only option =
to make the situation better is to eliminate need. The best way to =
eliminate need for IPv4 is IPv6.
It=92s really as simple as that.
Owen