[182385] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jared Mauch)
Wed Jul 15 20:08:53 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
In-Reply-To: <55A6F0B3.8010302@ttec.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 19:58:23 -0400
To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon@ttec.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
> On Jul 15, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon@ttec.com> wrote:
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> Doug Barton wrote:
>> On 7/15/15 10:24 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
>>> I suspect a 16 /8 right about now would be very welcome for =
everybody
>>> other then the ipv6 adherents.
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>> Globally we were burning through about a /8 every month or two in =
"the
>> good old days." So in the best case scenario we'd get 32 more months =
of
>> easy to get IPv4, but at an overwhelming cost to re-implement every
>> network stack.
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>> This option was considered back in the early 2000's when I was still
>> involved in the discussion, and rejected as impractical.
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> Removing experimental status does not equate with the burden of making =
it equivalent use to the rest of the address space.
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> How about the ARIN burn rate post IANA runout? How long does 16 /8 =
last then?
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> What would be wrong with removing experimental status and allowing one =
of the /8 to be used for low barrier to /16 assignment to any party =
demonstrating a willingness to coax usability of the space?
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> Yes, any such effort has to run the gauntlet of IETF/IANA/RIR policy.
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> CGN /10 managed. This could too, if all the naysayers would just step =
out of the way.
This isn=E2=80=99t really a giant set of naysayers IMHO, but there is =
enough embedded logic in devices that it doesn=E2=80=99t make that much =
sense.
Either you can survive with some type of NAT or you can=E2=80=99t. Many =
of my devices would not be missing capabilities if I had just IPv6 on =
them with some gateway to reach the IPv4 internet. I could likely make =
a short list of the sites that I really need access to that are IPv4 =
only. With Amazon/Walmart day, they would be well suited to have a fast =
IPv6 site :)
It=E2=80=99s just a few operating systems that need to be changed:
windows
linux
various *bsd flavors
macos
I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s impossible, but so many things check =
for 224 > A > 1 it would be a large bit of work to fix those. This is =
excluding the routing equipment.
What i=E2=80=99ve learned is that stuff like the netgear/linksys you =
have at your house spends around ~6 months in the supply chain before it =
reaches you. these all need to be updated as well as the =E2=80=9Cbig =
iron=E2=80=9D stuff like cisco/juniper/arista as well as their embedded =
OS underneath, so maybe QNX or something else =E2=80=98odd=E2=80=99.
That effort would need to have everyone moving in the same direction now =
which seems unlikely.
- Jared
