[182331] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Jul 15 02:28:55 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <55A5B873.5010602@xyonet.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:20:09 -0700
To: Curtis Maurand <cmaurand@xyonet.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Wait=85 You=92re trying to convince me that it=92s easier to understand =
=93You have this box in the way. It blocks many of the packets you want =
and some of the packets you don=92t want. It also does weird things to =
the header in the process.=94 than it is to understand =93You have this =
box. By default it only allows outbound connections and blocks all =
incoming connections. You can tell it what you want to permit inbound. =
Your packet headers are the same on both sides of the box.=94
You have a different definition of =93easy to understand=94 than I do.
Owen
> On Jul 14, 2015, at 18:33 , Curtis Maurand <cmaurand@xyonet.com> =
wrote:
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> Since IPV6 does not have NAT, it's going to be difficult for the =
layman to understand their firewall. deployment of ipv4 is pretty =
simple. ipv6 on the otherhand is pretty difficult at the network level. =
yes, all the clients get everything automatically except for the =
router/firewall.
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> -C
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> On 7/14/2015 7:57 PM, James Downs wrote:
>>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 16:09, Curtis Maurand <cmaurand@xyonet.com> =
wrote:
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>>> i think IPV6 adoption is going to be very slow. It's very difficult =
for the layman to understand and that contributes to the slow rate of =
uptake.
>> Who is the layman in this story? Almost every system I work with at =
home and in the datacenter has IPv6 turned on by default. If someone =
wandered through those networks, and started turning on IPv6 =
infrastructure so that they started getting IPv6 addresses, my bet is =
that most of the java-based applications would already be bound to the =
stacks in such a way that they would just start sending traffic over =
IPv6. I base this on the fact that any number of developers have been =
confused by =93::=94 being somewhere in their world now. Those people =
don=92t care about the network, or IPv4 vs IPv6. It would just work.
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>> Now, if layman =3D=3D Network Operators, and Networking people at =
Corporations, well, there you might be right.
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>> Cheers,
>> -j
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> Best Regards
> Curtis Maurand
> Principal
> Xyonet Web Hosting
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