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Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (manning)
Thu Jul 9 16:35:49 2015

X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: manning <bmanning@karoshi.com>
In-Reply-To: <559E70D5.4000008@seacom.mu>
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:34:49 -0700
To: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org

one word.    RFC 1918.   Here is an perpetual well of IPv4, packed down, =
overflowing.



manning
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On 9July2015Thursday, at 6:02, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:

>=20
>=20
> On 9/Jul/15 14:53, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
>>=20
>> That will never happen. If you offer me $1000 per IPv4, then I will =
happily
>> terminate some user contracts and sell their IP space to you...
>>=20
>> In fact it will never become even that expensive. With a marked price =
of
>> $10 I am buying IP space for customers as needed and I will include =
free
>> space in the contracts. If the price went to $100 I would tell all =
users
>> that they need to pay monthly rent for their IP or alternative, the =
user
>> would have to accept carrier NAT in some form. And then I would =
proceed to
>> buy a new house for the money I make by selling address space.
>>=20
>> There is a ton of address space that is inefficient used. We will be =
able
>> to buy excess from companies that "create" space by optimizing their
>> existing space. There is a reason we have not seen any rise in the =
price
>> even after multiple years with depletion in large parts of the world.
>=20
> In this particular case, I'm not concerned about the next ten years.
> Predicting what happens between now and then could have a fair degree =
of
> accuracy.
>=20
> I'm more concerned about what happens beyond that. I'm not sure I can
> accurately (even with large error margins) predict what happens then.
>=20
> All that said, I'm not trying to paint myself into that kind of =
corner.
> It is 2015, after all... Just don't tell my competitors...
>=20
> Mark.


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