[182012] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Thu Jul 9 12:12:45 2015
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From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAPkb-7A=JAc=W=H26UCJTRb_cZxY9L4zND1z7HmbjKQkxshq6w@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:08:41 -0700
To: Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
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> On Jul 9, 2015, at 05:53 , Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> =
wrote:
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> On 9 July 2015 at 13:25, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
>=20
>>=20
>> I suppose the issue will become "more real" when you can't get any =
IPv4
>> space period.
>>=20
>> Mark.
>>=20
>=20
>=20
> That will never happen. If you offer me $1000 per IPv4, then I will =
happily
> terminate some user contracts and sell their IP space to you=E2=80=A6
Eventually, you run out of user contracts to terminate.
> In fact it will never become even that expensive. With a marked price =
of
> $10 I am buying IP space for customers as needed and I will include =
free
> space in the contracts. If the price went to $100 I would tell all =
users
> that they need to pay monthly rent for their IP or alternative, the =
user
> would have to accept carrier NAT in some form. And then I would =
proceed to
> buy a new house for the money I make by selling address space.
Sure, but aren=E2=80=99t your customers going to start demanding IPv6 =
instead of that at some point?
Aren=E2=80=99t they going to start insisting on a service that doesn=E2=80=
=99t charge per address?
> There is a ton of address space that is inefficient used. We will be =
able
> to buy excess from companies that "create" space by optimizing their
> existing space. There is a reason we have not seen any rise in the =
price
> even after multiple years with depletion in large parts of the world.
Yes=E2=80=A6 It=E2=80=99s called =E2=80=9Csoft landing=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6 =
ARIN will be the first region to deplete without significant
austerity policies for newcomers to get address space.
Owen
