[181396] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Residential VSAT experiences?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (TR Shaw)
Mon Jun 22 21:11:21 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: TR Shaw <tshaw@oitc.com>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 21:11:17 -0400
To: Alfred Olton <alfredolton@gmail.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
I don=E2=80=99t know what your location is but a wireless internet =
provider using Canopy or Ubiquity or whatever is much more preferable. =
Also cellular is used in =E2=80=9Cremote=E2=80=9D locations with good =
results.
I know plenty of people "in the bush=E2=80=9D that use these =
alternatives over VSat. I use the above over VSat when I am out on =
fishing trips to remote locations.=20
For truly remote where there is no options other than VSat <sigh> you =
need to live with the latency problems for now. Iridum is currently too =
slow and too costly. Maybe LEO or MEO in the future but not now.
I have used SSH from a transatlantic flight but the delay can weigh on =
you ;-)
Tom
> On Jun 22, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Alfred Olton <alfredolton@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> I had Hughes Net a few years back and can confirm that SSH access was
> pretty much intolerable for me.
> The delay between what I was typing, and when it would actually show =
up on
> the screen in the remote terminal was really annoying for me.
> As mentioned in previous responses, I think you would want a low orbit
> satellite internet provider, if you can find one for residential use.
>=20
> In my case, I had a land line, but was too far out for ADSL, so I =
ended up
> getting ISDN (*with unlimited local calling on my phone plan*).
> Of course the SSH usage experience then was much better.
>=20
> Al
>=20
> On 06/22/2015 04:04 PM, Hugo Slabbert wrote:> Personally, 500-700ms of
> delay is well within distinguishable range and
>> causes challenges in verbal communication. If the speakers are both
>> expecting and accustomed to delay like that (e.g. sailors that are =
used
>> to being hundreds/thousands of miles away from anywhere and any other
>> comms solution sucks anyway), it could be workable.
>>=20
>> For regular consumer/business voice applications, 100ms and lower is
>> decent, but above that starts to get into various degrees of suckage.
>>=20
>> Just my 2c.
>>=20
>> --
>> Hugo
>>=20
>> On Mon 2015-Jun-22 15:54:49 -0700, Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>=20
>>> I never had good luck with VSAT and SIP. Maybe you had a better kit
>>> than I
>>> did :)
>>>=20
>>> -Mike
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Dovid Bender <dovid@telecurve.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Interesting that you say that about sip. We had a client that would
>>>> use it
>>>> for sip on ships all the time. It wasn't the best but it worked. =
Ping
>>>> times
>>>> were between 500-700ms.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Regards,
>>>>=20
>>>> Dovid
>>>>=20
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>
>>>> Sender: "NANOG" <nanog-bounces@nanog.org>Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 =
15:33:43
>>>> To: Nicholas Oas<nicholas.oas@gmail.com>; NANOG<nanog@nanog.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: Residential VSAT experiences?
>>>>=20
>>>> SIP will suck. VPN will suck. RDP will suck.
>>>>=20
>>>> Have you looked to see if you have any local wireless ISPs in your =
area?
>>>> Hit me up offlist if you want me to check for you.
>>>>=20
>>>> -Mike
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Nicholas Oas =
<nicholas.oas@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Would anyone mind sharing with me their first-hand experiences =
with
>>>>> residential satellite internet?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Right now I am evaluating HughesNet Gen4 and ViaSat Exede and I'm
>>>> thinking
>>>>> specifically as a sysadmin who needs to use the uplink for work, =
not
>>>> surf.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> What are your experiences with the following applications?
>>>>> -SSH, (specifically interactive CLI shell access)
>>>>> -RDP
>>>>> -SIP over SSL
>>>>> -IPSec Tunneling (should be a non-starter due to latency)
>>>>> -GRE Tunneling
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> -Nicholas
>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> --
>>>> Mike Lyon
>>>> 408-621-4826
>>>> mike.lyon@gmail.com
>>>>=20
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> --
>>> Mike Lyon
>>> 408-621-4826
>>> mike.lyon@gmail.com
>>>=20
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
