[180591] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Fraizer)
Sun Jun 7 20:14:56 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <06C1078F-A86C-4C78-9D97-C661CE6DA947@karoshi.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 20:14:51 -0400
From: John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us>
To: manning <bmanning@karoshi.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Bill,
Stop now! You just made me spew beer in all directions out my nose! I have
no doubt that there is a home for you @ eBay if you ever desire it.
John Fraizer
--Sent from my Android phone.
Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 6, 2015 8:57 PM, "manning" <bmanning@karoshi.com> wrote:
> i=E2=80=99ll never make it past the telephone screen=E2=80=A6.
>
> manning
> bmanning@karoshi.com
> PO Box 12317
> Marina del Rey, CA 90295
> 310.322.8102
>
>
>
> On 6June2015Saturday, at 19:17, John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us> wrote:
>
> > Just to be clear, CERTS are NOT a requirement for these positions. They
> > will head-of-line someone for a phone screen. THAT IS ALL! And if you'=
ve
> > got a cert, you had better know your stuff because if your cert says
> you're
> > an EXPERT. I'm gonna expect you to be one!
> >
> > John Fraizer
> > --Sent from my Android phone.
> > Please excuse any typos.
> > On Jun 6, 2015 5:50 PM, "Randy" <randy_94108@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> $employers don't help in this regard either by requiring said certs.
> Such
> >> requirements; IMO, lead to folks preparing/passing such tests just for
> >> $day_job only without any real desire to understand how
> >> things-actually-work&why.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us>
> >> To: =C5=81ukasz Bromirski <lukasz@bromirski.net>
> >> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> >> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM
> >> Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
> >>
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >> It's just a piece of paper in my opinion. A person either knows their
> >> stuff or they don't. Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know
> if
> >> they "bought" their certification(s) or earned them. Sadly, I've
> spoken to
> >> far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm wonderin=
g
> how
> >> many proctors have been paid off or if people are buying fake id's for
> >> smart people and paying them to sit for the tests posing as them.
> >>
> >> John Fraizer
> >> --Sent from my Android phone.
> >> Please excuse any typos.
> >> On Jun 5, 2015 5:45 PM, "=C5=81ukasz Bromirski" <lukasz@bromirski.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a
> >>> piece
> >>>>> of paper every time!
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is
> >> that
> >>>> the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of
> actual
> >>>> troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines =E2=80=9Ce=
xpert=E2=80=9D are
> >>>> different than the rest of the world).
> >>>
> >>> Jared, don=E2=80=99t generalize.
> >>>
> >>> True - there are people that are =E2=80=98paper=E2=80=99 CCIE/JNCIEs =
- but let=E2=80=99s not
> >>> start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them
> >>> didn=E2=80=99t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
> >>>
> >>> =E2=80=94
> >>> CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17
> >>> (not that I=E2=80=99d know anything about troubleshooting of course)
> >>
>
>
