[180567] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (manning)
Sat Jun 6 23:57:47 2015
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From: manning <bmanning@karoshi.com>
In-Reply-To: <CALxrgMFt22DD77BhvroPx7s-23pEXaus-+o6Dq-LqsK8_hgH7g@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:57:38 -0700
To: John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
i=E2=80=99ll never make it past the telephone screen=E2=80=A6.
manning
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Marina del Rey, CA 90295
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On 6June2015Saturday, at 19:17, John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us> wrote:
> Just to be clear, CERTS are NOT a requirement for these positions. =
They
> will head-of-line someone for a phone screen. THAT IS ALL! And if =
you've
> got a cert, you had better know your stuff because if your cert says =
you're
> an EXPERT. I'm gonna expect you to be one!
>=20
> John Fraizer
> --Sent from my Android phone.
> Please excuse any typos.
> On Jun 6, 2015 5:50 PM, "Randy" <randy_94108@yahoo.com> wrote:
>=20
>> $employers don't help in this regard either by requiring said certs. =
Such
>> requirements; IMO, lead to folks preparing/passing such tests just =
for
>> $day_job only without any real desire to understand how
>> things-actually-work&why.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us>
>> To: =C5=81ukasz Bromirski <lukasz@bromirski.net>
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
>>=20
>> Folks,
>>=20
>> It's just a piece of paper in my opinion. A person either knows =
their
>> stuff or they don't. Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will =
know if
>> they "bought" their certification(s) or earned them. Sadly, I've =
spoken to
>> far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm =
wondering how
>> many proctors have been paid off or if people are buying fake id's =
for
>> smart people and paying them to sit for the tests posing as them.
>>=20
>> John Fraizer
>> --Sent from my Android phone.
>> Please excuse any typos.
>> On Jun 5, 2015 5:45 PM, "=C5=81ukasz Bromirski" =
<lukasz@bromirski.net> wrote:
>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> =
wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps =
a
>>> piece
>>>>> of paper every time!
>>>>=20
>>>> Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is
>> that
>>>> the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of =
actual
>>>> troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines =
=E2=80=9Cexpert=E2=80=9D are
>>>> different than the rest of the world).
>>>=20
>>> Jared, don=E2=80=99t generalize.
>>>=20
>>> True - there are people that are =E2=80=98paper=E2=80=99 CCIE/JNCIEs =
- but let=E2=80=99s not
>>> start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them
>>> didn=E2=80=99t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
>>>=20
>>> =E2=80=94
>>> CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17
>>> (not that I=E2=80=99d know anything about troubleshooting of course)
>>=20
