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Many of these churn rates result from problems self inflicted hence all th=
e dramatic sdn promises, popularity in abstractions, Api all the things, le=
t's go yang/netconf and retrofit every ietf standard. There's benefits bu=
t gotta rant a little. What's better than correct? Well over correct of cou=
rse.
> On May 7, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Josh Reynolds <josh@spitwspots.com> wrote:
>=20
> You know where these people wouldn't fit? W/ISPs.
>=20
> Every three years or so you are forklifting the majority of your wireless=
PtMP for either a new series or a totally different vendor. New backhaul v=
endors often. You're building AC and DC power plants. You likely touch Cisc=
o, juniper, HP, mikrotik, ubiquiti, Linux, windows, *BSD/pfsense, lucent, a=
ccedian/ciena, etc due to various client and network requirements all in th=
e same week, AND you have to make them work together nicely :)
>=20
> It's not the environment for somebody like that, and I truly don't unders=
tand how people of that.. "caliber" end up working on large scale WANs and =
global transit networks.
>=20
> Frankly, it scares me a bit.
>=20
>> On May 7, 2015 9:07:35 AM AKDT, Craig <cvuljanic@gmail.com> wrote:
>> we do "cry" when we interview people that claim to have "advanced
>> knowledge" of BGP and we ask them some very basic BGP questions, and we
>> get
>> a blank stare.....
>>=20
>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Rob Seastrom <rs@seastrom.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Josh Reynolds <josh@spitwspots.com> writes:
>>>=20
>>>> It really bothers me to see that people in this industry are so
>>>> worried about a change of syntax or terminology. If there's one
>>>> thing about the big vendors that bothers me, it's that these
>>>> batteries of vendor specific tests have allowed many "techs" to get
>>>> lazy. They simply can't seem to operate well, if at all, in a
>>>> non-Cisco (primarily) environment.
>>>=20
>>> If that bothers you, I recommend you not look at what passes for a
>>> "system administrator" these days. It will make you cry.
>>>=20
>>> -r
>=20
> --=20
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