[17892] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jay R. Ashworth)
Tue Jun 16 15:37:28 1998
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:21:11 -0400
From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
To: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <19980616141029.63226@mcs.net>; from Karl Denninger <karl@mcs.net> on Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 02:10:29PM -0500
On Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 02:10:29PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote:
> > Didn't say there wasn't a problem. Just don't let's go _there_, ok?
>
> No, we need to go there.
>
> "Voluntary" cooperation isn't working, because the major NOCs don't
> cooperate. Like ever. I've given up reporting these and just block the
> amplifiers, because it is POINTLESS to spend 30 minutes on hold to get a
> NOC person on the phone who either refuses assistance or refuses to
> escalate the matter to someone who knows what to do.
>
> Since they don't cooperate, the only two defenses are:
>
> 1. Black-hole detected amplifier networks (what we're doing here).
Indeed. And what I think is the best approach. Kick 'em in the
nads^Wnets.
> 2. Government intervention to slap penalties on those who don't
> cooperate with such reports, and vendors who don't make it
> possible for NOCs to cooperate *reasonably*.
Governments have a demonstrated habit of not building such constraints
so as to incent (I hate that word, but can't think of an acceptable
synonym just now) the _right_ changes in behavior patterns -- this is
the same discussion as was just had about Usenet cancel messages a
couple hours ago.
> I'd really like it if this didn't have to happen. Seriously. But as long
> as network operators decide to play stupid when they are hit with these
> requests, and/or just tell you to bite it (and I've heard both) then the
> two above steps are both reasonable and necessary.
I think that the approach here is to find the executive level people to
whom those people report, and explain to _them_ that if they don't get
their houses in order, the government is likely to do it for them.
Cheers,
-- jra
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