[178695] in North American Network Operators' Group
FW: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Naslund, Steve)
Mon Mar 2 14:00:43 2015
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From: "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund@medline.com>
To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 18:59:16 +0000
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>That's simply wrong - at least for folks who do any work related stuff at =
home.
>
>Consider: I've just edited a large sales presentation - say a PPT deck wi=
th some embedded video, totaling maybe 250MB (2gbit) - and I want to upload=
that to the company server. And let's say I want to do that 5 times durin=
g 12 >hour day (it's crunch time, we're doing lots of edits).
BUSINESS CLASS SERVICE - You can get it but you have to pay for it. Also, =
not the average user's case. I know this. My support line does not ring w=
ith many (hardly any) people complaining about upload speed. Get over it, =
it is a provable fact. Is any service provider on here seeing this?
>
>On average, we're talking 20gbit/12 hours, or a shade under 500kbps, if we=
're talking averages. On the other hand, if I try to push a 2gbit file thr=
ough a 500kbps pipe, it's going to take 4000 seconds (67
>minutes) -- that's rather painful, and inserts a LOT of delay in the proce=
ss of getting reviews, comments, and doing the next round of edits.
>
>On the other hand, at 50mbps it takes only 40 seconds - annoying, but acce=
ptable, and at a gig, it only takes 2 seconds.
>
Peak, average, whatever. Your local loop does not care. It does not have =
a "burst speed", it has a maximum transfer rate limited by the physics and =
electronics attached to it. You might want it to go faster and as a servic=
e provider I wish it would go faster because I would love to have lots of f=
ree bandwidth to sell you.
If you want 50 mbps or 1 gbps on your ADSL circuit I can't help you at all.=
In fact, no one can because IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TODAY. If you want gig Et=
hernet service at home break out your checkbook (and a shovel).
>So, tell me, with a straight face, that "what matters is average transfer =
rate to the user experience."
>
>Miles Fidelman
Straight face on- The user cares if his average data rate meets his needs m=
ore than he cares if he has a high upload speed the once a month he needs t=
hat.
If your bottom line argument is that you need more bandwidth for less cost,=
then welcome to everyone else's world.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
