[178561] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Sat Feb 28 16:08:14 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <54F21019.8070700@meetinghouse.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 13:04:21 -0800
To: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
> On Feb 28, 2015, at 10:59 , Miles Fidelman =
<mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> wrote:
>=20
> Michael Thomas wrote:
>>=20
>> On 02/28/2015 08:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> 20 years ago was into AOL's prime, so yes they did.
>>>=20
>>> Great, let's re-evaluate the system when demand necessitates it. For =
many systems, it's literally as simple as changing how many channels are =
allocated to what directions.
>>>=20
>>> By that logic, we would have been running 486s with 32 gigs of RAM =
because some people today use that much. *shakes head* Obviously the =
majority of the dissent here works with OPM.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>=20
>> The point is that the incumbents (=3D telephants) at the time looked =
at even the
>> minuscule AOL user base with disdain saying that their market share =
was irrelevant.
>> Even into the early 2000's these same guys thought that voice was the =
only thing
>> that really mattered because the new fangled internet users were =
outliers from their
>> pots bread and butter. We now know those outliers were important. =
Being dismissive
>> of them is dangerous.
>>=20
>=20
> Actually, I think the incumbents do get it, at this point - at least =
Verizon does. FIOS is a pretty nice offering, and they offer some =
pretty high speeds, both up and down. It's just that they've stopped =
their buildout with the large markets; but they've been a power behind =
the state level anti-municipal broadband laws. Kind of annoying that, =
in areas where they have no intention of building out, they want to =
stand in the way of folks who want to do it themselves.
It=E2=80=99s not that they have no intention of building out=E2=80=A6 =
It=E2=80=99s that they want to get the right =
bribes^wkickbacks^wsubsidies to do so. If the city can build their own =
fiber, they=E2=80=99re a lot less likely to bribe^wpayoff^wsubsidize =
Verizon to do it for them. Also, if a municipality owns fiber, they =
might actually allow open competition on the services side of things =
which would not only be bad for FIOS, but might also be bad for VZW, =
too.
Owen
