[178500] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Fri Feb 27 19:06:06 2015
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From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <54F0F90B.4040402@free.fr>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:44:58 -0800
To: mh@xalto.net
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
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To the best of my knowledge, yes.
Owen
> On Feb 27, 2015, at 15:08 , Michael Hallgren <m.hallgren@free.fr> =
wrote:
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> Le 27/02/2015 23:19, Owen DeLong a =C3=A9crit :
>> Any website which does not violate the law.
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>> In other words, if a lawful takedown order
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> So, subject to legal control rather than simply administrative. Right?
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> mh
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>> has been applied to a website, this code can=E2=80=99t be used to =
force an ISP to provide illegal access to said site.
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>> Owen
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>>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 11:14 , Jim Richardson <weaselkeeper@gmail.com> =
wrote:
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>>>> =46rom 47CFR=C2=A78.5b
>>> (b) A person engaged in the provision of mobile broadband Internet
>>> access service, insofar as such person is so engaged, shall not =
block
>>> consumers from accessing lawful Web sites, subject to reasonable
>>> network management; nor shall such person block applications that
>>> compete with the provider's voice or video telephony services, =
subject
>>> to reasonable network management.
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>>> What's a "lawful" web site?
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>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Lamar Owen <lowen@pari.edu> wrote:
>>>> On 02/27/2015 01:19 PM, Rob McEwen wrote:
>>>>> We're solving an almost non-existing problem.. by over-empowering =
an
>>>>> already out of control US government, with powers that we can't =
even begin
>>>>> to understand the extend of how they could be abused... to "fix" =
an industry
>>>>> that has done amazingly good things for consumers in recent years.
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>>>> You really should read 47CFR=C2=A78. It won't take you more than =
an hour or so,
>>>> as it's only about 8 pages.
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>>>> The procedure for filing a complaint is pretty interesting, and =
requires the
>>>> complainant to do some pretty involved things. (47CFR=C2=A78.14 for =
the complaint
>>>> procedure, 47CFR=C2=A78.13 for the requirements for the pleading, =
etc). Note
>>>> that the definitions found in 47CFR=C2=A78.11(a) and (b) are pretty =
specific in
>>>> who is actually covered by 'net neutrality.'
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