[178447] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mel Beckman)
Fri Feb 27 16:26:21 2015
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From: Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org>
To: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:13:30 +0000
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Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
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I'll move on. I'm sorry you're not interested in reasonable discussion.=20
-mel beckman
> On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:01 PM, "William Herrin" <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
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>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org> wrote:
>> I did not change "whenever I demand it" to "all the time". You're
>> hand-waving now. I clearly said that users can't all demand their maximu=
m
>> bandwidth at the same time. That's nothing like "all the time."
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> Fine. You changed "whenever I demand it" to "at the same time as
> everybody else." The change still makes it a straw man argument. You
> introduce simultaneity, which you don't substantiate and which is not
> present in my statement. That red herring undermines your argument
> that doing, "everything reasonably within your power to make sure I
> can access the Internet sites of my choice" at full rate is
> "infeasible."
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>> Your shower example is perfect. Yes, you can get 120A tankless water hea=
ting
>> for a brief interval. But not "whenever you demand it."
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> I get it _every_ time I demand it because the local power company has
> done a good job with their oversubscription planning. Even with other
> households engaged in bathing activity during the morning hours..
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>> You never responded to my "BillsNet" real-world example. Is that a straw=
-man
>> argument too?
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> That would be why I ignored it, yes. Would it make you happy if I pick
> it apart piece by piece or do you want to move on?
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> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
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> William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us
> Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
