[178429] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mel Beckman)
Fri Feb 27 15:30:52 2015
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From: Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org>
To: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 20:20:51 +0000
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Bill,
I did not change "whenever I demand it" to "all the time". You're hand-wavi=
ng now. I clearly said that users can't all demand their maximum bandwidth =
at the same time. That's nothing like "all the time."
Every house can't use its 200 amps at the same time, which happens when eve=
ryone turns on their AC on a hot day. The electrical grid is not built to t=
he worst case scenario, and it does in fact break down when those events ha=
ppen.
Your shower example is perfect. Yes, you can get 120A tankless water heatin=
g for a brief interval. But not "whenever you demand it." If you demand it =
while the everyone is experiencing an HVAC-induced brownout on a hot day, y=
our won't get it. Period.
You never responded to my "BillsNet" real-world example. Is that a straw-ma=
n argument too?
-mel
On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:02 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us<mailto:bill@he=
rrin.us>>
wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org<mailto:mel@be=
ckman.org>> wrote:
In what way is my argument a straw man? I specifically address
the assertion you make, that an ISP must deliver X Mbps
whenever you demand it, by explaining the real world
essential practice of oversubscription.
You changed "whenever I demand it" to "all the time" and then
proceeded to argue that if everybody used their whole bandwidth all
the time, oversubscription wouldn't work and therefore Internet
connections would cost thousands of dollars.
Well sure, if every house used 200 amps all the time the electric gird
would collapse. Yet somehow when my 120 amp tankless electric water
heater kicks on for my morning shower I don't black out the city. How
could that possibly be?
It's a straw man, Mel. Own up to it and move on.
Regards,
Bill Herrin
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