[178373] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Scott Helms)
Fri Feb 27 12:28:19 2015
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:27:00 -0500
From: Scott Helms <khelms@zcorum.com>
To: Jack Bates <jbates@paradoxnetworks.net>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
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Jack,
I don't know what manufacturer you might be thinking of, but from a
standards point of view ADSL2 and ADSL2+ both have faster upstream speeds
than ADSL (G.dmt or T1.413)
- ANSI T1.413 Issue 2 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_T1.413_Issue_2>=
,
up to 8 Mbit/s and 1 Mbit/s
- G.dmt <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.992.1>, ITU-T G.992.1, up to
10 Mbit/s and 1 Mbit/s
- G.lite <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.992.2>, ITU-T G.992.2, more
noise and attenuation resistant than G.dmt, up to 1,536 kbit/s and
512 kbit/s
- Asymmetric digital subscriber line 2
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_digital_subscriber_line_2> (ADS=
L2),
ITU-T G.992.3, up to 12 Mbit/s and 3.5 Mbit/s
- Asymmetric digital subscriber line 2 plus
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_digital_subscriber_line_2_plus>
(ADSL2+),
ITU-T G.992.5, up to 24 Mbit/s and 3.5 Mbit/s
Scott Helms
Vice President of Technology
ZCorum
(678) 507-5000
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Jack Bates <jbates@paradoxnetworks.net>
wrote:
> On 2/27/2015 11:03 AM, Bruce H McIntosh wrote:
>
>>
>> The REAL evil in the ISP marketplace is, of course, essentially entirely
>> unremarked-upon - ASYMMETRY. For the Internet, as such, truly to live u=
p
>> to its promise to continue to revolutionize the world through free excha=
nge
>> of ideas, information, data and so forth, Joe Average User *MUST* have t=
he
>> same pipes going UP as he does coming DOWN. Just as an example, my serv=
ice
>> at home is what, 50 down/5 up? That structure is less conducive to free
>> interchange and more conducive to the Big-Brother=E2=84=A2-seal-of-appro=
val
>> mindless consumption of whatever content THEY=E2=84=A2 deem necessary an=
d
>> sufficient to keep the bread and circus masses dull and uninvolved. Plu=
s,
>> the slow uplink speeds make remote backups dreadfully impractical for th=
e
>> home user. So let's see some symmetry in the offerings, ISPs, ok?
>>
>>
> I'm all for this, except many technologies don't allow for it. Even if
> they did, you might see a lot less down in exchange for that upload. That
> may be fine for some, but would be undesired by others.
>
> I laugh every time I see a billboard locally that says, "Enjoy your free
> speed upgrade". They switched all their customers from ADSL to ADSL2 and
> gave them a slight download increase. Of course, ADSL2 has a slower uploa=
d
> limit. 500k may not seem a lot, but when you only had 1.5m to begin with,
> it's a considerable amount.
>
>
