[177882] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Low cost WDM gear
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Phil Bedard)
Sat Feb 7 15:13:47 2015
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 15:10:19 -0500
From: Phil Bedard <bedard.phil@gmail.com>
To: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>,
NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
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Sure, everyone has different needs and there are certainly lots of use=20
cases for having your own fiber. =20
You can look into passive muxes and amps, if you have enough places to=20
amplify along the way shouldn't be a big deal. Companies like PacketLight=20
(also mentioned) make 1RU amplifiers. =20
Phil=20
On 2/7/15, 19:32, "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
>Multiple 10G, yes. I'll reach out to the vendors mentioned to see how=20
>they line up, but it looks like I need to look into amps for the passive=20
>gear. There's 8 huts between the two ends, so no shortage of=20
>opportunities to amplify the signal. I'll know more about that when I get=20
>the amount of loss along the route.=20
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>Most people I know leasing circuits are doing so because dark isn't=20
>available or is otherwise ass expensive due to above shortage. The last=20
>quote I got for dark out of a useful facility was like $2M. 100+ miles=20
>was like $200k, the last 10 miles or whatever was the balance. Even $100k=20
>for gear (two sides and some amps) pales in comparison to $2k+ a month=20
>for the next 20 years for a single channel.=20
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>-----=20
>Mike Hammett=20
>Intelligent Computing Solutions=20
>http://www.ics-il.com=20
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>From: "Phil Bedard" <bedard.phil@gmail.com>=20
>To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>=20
>Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 1:17:48 PM=20
>Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear=20
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>Is this for 10G? I'm kind of assuming 10G. What kind of equipment is=20
>being plugged into these? 300km is way beyond what you'll get with a=20
>passive solution, it's definitely in the "long-haul" terrtory. If you are=20
>launching out of a router the best pluggable optic you can generally get=20
>is rated at 80km, 10GBase-ZR, but even a passive mux at each end shaves=20
>some of that distance off.=20
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>300km is going to require amplifiers at intervals across the span. Who is=20
>providing the fiber? I'd start talking to traditional transport vendors.=20
>Ekinops as mentioned is probably decent at a lower price, Adva works well=20
>and isn't all that expensive, even Cisco has gear reasonably priced. If=20
>you want to cover 300km on a fiber span though "cheap" isn't really a=20
>word=20
>I would describe. It's why people lease circuits. :)=20
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>Phil=20
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>On 2/7/15, 18:04, "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:=20
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>>One particular route I'm looking at is 185 miles, so of the options=20
>>presented 300 km is closest. ;-)=20
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>>-----=20
>>Mike Hammett=20
>>Intelligent Computing Solutions=20
>>http://www.ics-il.com=20
>>=20
>>----- Original Message -----=20
>>=20
>>From: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>=20
>>To: "Kenneth McRae" <kenneth.mcrae@me.com>=20
>>Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>=20
>>Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:02:11 PM=20
>>Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear=20
>>=20
>>would be good for mike to define 'long distances' here, is it:=20
>>2km=20
>>30km=20
>>300km=20
>>3000km=20
>>=20
>>Probably the 30-60k range is what you mean by 'long distances' but...=20
>>clarity might help.=20
>>=20
>>On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Kenneth McRae <kenneth.mcrae@me.com>=20
>>wrote:=20
>>> Mike,=20
>>>=20
>>> I just replaced a bunch of FiberStore WDM passive muxes with OSI=20
>>>Hardware=20
>>> equipment. The FiberStore gear was a huge disappointment (excessive=20
>>>loss,=20
>>> poor technical support, refusal to issue refund without threatening=20
>>>legal=20
>>> action, etc.). I have had good results from the OSI equipment so far.=20
>>>I=20
>>> run passive muxes for CWDM (8 - 16 channels).=20
>>>=20
>>> On Feb 07, 2015, at 09:51 AM, Manuel Mar=C3=ADn <mmg@transtelco.net> wrote:=
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>>>=20
>>> Hi Mike=20
>>>=20
>>> I can recommend a couple of vendors that provide cost effective=20
>>>solutions.=20
>>> Ekinops & Packetlight.=20
>>>=20
>>> On Saturday, February 7, 2015, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:=20
>>>=20
>>> I know there are various Asian vendors for low cost (less than $500)=20
>>>muxes=20
>>> to throw 16 or however many colors onto a strand. However, they don't=20
>>>work=20
>>> so well when you don't control the optics used on both sides=20
>>>(therefore=20
>>> must use standard wavelengths), obviously only do a handful of=20
>>>channels=20
>>>and=20
>>> have a distance limitation.=20
>>> What solutions are out there that don't cost an arm and a leg?=20
>>> -----=20
>>> Mike Hammett=20
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions=20
>>> http://www.ics-il.com=20
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