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Re: Comcast thinks it ok to install public wifi in your house

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ricky Beam)
Thu Dec 11 20:39:58 2014

X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
To: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 20:39:46 -0500
From: "Ricky Beam" <jfbeam@gmail.com>
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Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:33:03 -0500, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:

> In short, the only thing really truly wrong with this scenario is that  
> Comcast is using equipment that the subscriber should have exclusive  
> control over (they are renting it, so while Comcast retains ownership,  
> they have relinquished most rights of control to the "tenant") how the  
> device is used.

Except every ISP (pretty much universally) thinks the modem/router is  
theirs and they can, therefore, do whatever they flippin' please with it.   
In some markets (not necessarily comcast), they lock down the router to  
the point the customer can't even access it; every single change has to go  
through them.

(AT&T Uverse... you can change anything you want, with sufficient access  
(i.e. telnet), but the mothership can (and will) undo your changes pretty  
much instantly -- "apply" triggers a CWMP event.)

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