[176788] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Charging fee for BGP prefix per /24?!
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Thu Dec 11 16:20:15 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <54894390.4060105@bogus.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:14:26 -0800
To: joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
> On Dec 10, 2014, at 23:11 , joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
>=20
> On 12/10/14 7:45 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2014, Yucong Sun wrote:
>>=20
>>> It is not the same thing though. In my case, they just say we want
>>> you to
>>> buy our IP, if you don't and want use you own Arin allocated IP =
blocks
>>> through bgp, then we got to charge you anyway!
>>=20
>> Are they charging per /24 (assuming IPv4 here...), or per prefix?
>>=20
>> If they are charging per /24, that seems like a great way to =
encourage
>> customers to find another provider.
>>=20
>> If they are charging per prefix, that seems like an interesting way =
to
>> encourage customers to make sure they aggregate their BGP
>> advertisements as much as possible.
>>=20
> ISPs in my experience have a fee schedule supported by a model which
> allows them to recover their expenses plus a nominal profit. If the
> model doesn't work, in the long run that is a problem that solves
> itself. At the right scale I have productive leverage against the =
profit
> side of that number and also what line items the expenses are lodged
> against. below that I'm a retail customer and I pick from the best
> options available to me.
>> jms
>>=20
>=20
>=20
To me this sounds like they are trying to encourage their customers to =
accept IP addresses from them in order to bolster their utilization for =
purposes of hoarding addresses. I would expect that they will later =
reverse these "incentives" to attempt to reclaim the space in order to =
avoid having to go to the transfer market for more space.
I would consider such behavior highly unethical at best, but my sense of =
ethics may not be shared by all. I'm sure some of the Randians on this =
list will tell me that this is some proper and good way for the economy =
to work. Free market, blah blah.
Owen
