[176435] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Phasing out of copper
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Chuck Anderson)
Fri Nov 28 12:26:46 2014
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:26:37 -0500
From: Chuck Anderson <cra@WPI.EDU>
To: Jean-Francois Mezei <jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca>
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Verizon in MA removes copper upon FiOS installation.
My dad cancels his phone service every year when he migrates south for
the winter. Upon returning home a few years ago, he requested
reactivation of his phone line. Verizon refused to activate the
copper, instead switching him to FiOS Voice. I believe they removed
the copper lines at that time.
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:46:03AM -0500, Jean-Francois Mezei wrote:
> Currently in the midst of a CRTC policy hearing in Canada on future of
> competition in ISPs.
>
> Incumbents claim they have no plans to retire their copper plant after
> deploying FTTP/FTTH. (strategically to convince regulator that keeping
> ISPs on copper is fine and no need to let them access FTTP).
>
> For my reply I am trying to get more authoritative info to show that
> incumbents do have plans to retire the copper plant once enough
> customers have migrated to FTTP ( I heard that 80% migration is the
> tip-ver where they convert the rest of customers to FTTP to be able to
> shutddown the copper).
>
> Anyone have pointers to documents or experiences that would help me
> convince the regulator that incumbents deploy FTTP with eventual goal to
> be able to shutdown their old copper instead of perpetually maintaining
> both systems ?
>
> Also being discussed is removing regulations for access to ULL
> (unbundled local loops). In areas being upgraded to FTTP, are there
> services that really need copper ULLs and do not have an FTTP equivalent
> ? (home alarm systems ?).
>
>
>
>
> When an incumbent states for the record that "retiring copper is not in
> their current plans", I know that it means that it isn't in their short
> term plans. But I need some evidence of what other telcos do to help
> show the incumbent is "spinning".
>
> Any help appreciated.
