[175673] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Miles Fidelman)
Mon Oct 27 21:10:37 2014
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 21:10:20 -0400
From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
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Jay Ashworth wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris Adams" <cma@cmadams.net>
>> Once upon a time, Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com> said:
>>> "Try to do everything *inside PID 1*" is the real problem.
>> And that is not what systemd is doing; make sure you know what you are
>> complaining about. systemd-the-project != systemd-the-pid-1. PID 1 is
>> responsible for managing services/daemons, and AFAIK that's all
>> systemd's PID 1 does.
> Indeed. I was quoting (I thought) better read people than me. If that's the
> case, I retract about 25% of my distaste for it.
>
Well, yeah... but there's this huge (and growing) network of
interlocking dependencies, and, at least at the moment, no way to avoid
installing systemd as PID1 during a fresh Debian install (no installer
choice, and a bug in debootstrap that prevents preseeding). So, yes,
you can uninstall systemd as PID1, but it sure seems to be rather difficult.
Miles Fidelman
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