[175607] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: A translation (was Re: An update from the ICANN ISPCP meeting...)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Conrad)
Fri Oct 24 22:34:32 2014
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From: David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:34:19 -0700
To: Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com>
Cc: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@nanog.org>
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Barry,
On Oct 24, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> wrote:
> I believe this never-ending quest for more reliable domain
> registration data is being driven by intellectual property lawyers to
> lower the cost of serving those they see as infringers either by
> domain or web site content.
I would agree that the intellectual property folks have interests in =
this area, however having sat through sessions on various illegal =
activities facilitated by domain names (e.g., trade in endangered =
species, child porn, illegal pharmacies, etc) as well as having been to =
anti-abuse meetings (e.g., MAAWG, APWG, RIPE abuse-wt, etc), I am fairly =
confident there are far more people interested in accurate registration =
data than merely intellectual property lawyers.
Heck, I heard even some network operators would like to have accurate =
registration databases and I don't think many of those folks are =
intellectual property lawyers.
> FWIW, my suggestion was to put the WHOIS data into the DNS (a new RR
> perhaps) under the control of whoever manages that DNS record and if
> someone needs more correct information then perhaps the registrars
> could provide it (perhaps for a fee) from the sales slips (so to
> speak.)
You're too late: I believe there is a t-shirt that has the slogan "F* =
that, let's just put it in the DNS"... :)
> It's just a sales record, not sure why some are trying to move heaven
> and earth to idealize the information and access to it.
I disagree. Perhaps my age is showing, but I believe the whole point of =
the registration database is to provide contact information to allow =
someone to contact the registrant for whatever reason, e.g., "hey, stop =
that!".=20
> P.S. And of course the new WHOIS proposal involves creating classes of
> access to go along with improved correctness.
That is one part of the outcome of ICANN's ongoing effort to try to fix =
the multiple decade long nightmare that is Whois, yes.
> So only bona-fide
> lawyers with paid-up bar dues will be able to get at the info because,
> you know, lawyers, esq.
I'm not sure such a wild mischaracterization of the _166 page_ proposal =
for "A Next Generation Registration Directory Service" is actually =
helpful. The whole question of registration data is extremely =
complicated with a vast array of mutually contradictory requirements. As =
I understand it, the tiered access proposal was largely driven by the =
requirement to deal with the differing privacy =
requirements/laws/customs/etc. across the planet (e.g., the EU data =
privacy directives). As with anything that suggests non-trivial change, =
there is much that is controversial in the proposal, however I suspect =
it would be more useful if the controversy was based in actual reality =
instead of snark.
For anyone actually interested, the actual proposal is at
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/final-report-06jun14-en.pdf
(and to be clear, it is a proposal -- people are currently discussing =
what to do with it)
Regards,
-drc
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