[175386] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Israel G. Lugo)
Tue Oct 21 13:21:25 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 18:17:09 +0100
From: "Israel G. Lugo" <israel.lugo@lugosys.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
In-Reply-To: <66189.1413898830@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
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I was actually not aware of this. I've been told that systemd also
includes fsck's functionality (or is planning to?). That just seems
absurd to me.
I didn't really have a strong opinion on either side of this yet. Seeing
the replies from other people here, though, and reading some more about
it, this seems to be a very bad idea.
The binary logs for example worry me, especially corruption issues:
http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1y6q0l/systemds_binary_logs_and_co=
rruption/
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=3D169966
On 21-10-2014 14:40, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:44:57 +0900, Randy Bush said:
>> systemd is insanity. one would have hoped that deb and others would
>> know better. sigh.
> It started as a replacement init system. I suspected it had jumped
> the shark when it sprouted an entirely new DHCP and NTP service. And t=
his
> was confirmed when I saw this:
>
> "Leading up to this has been cursor rendering support, keyboard mapping=
> support, screen renderer, DRM back-end, input interface, and dozens of =
other
> commits."
>
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Dnews_item&px=3DMTgwNzQ
>
> When your init system is worrying about cursor rendering, you have trul=
y
> fallen victim to severe feature bloat. I guess Jamie Zawinski was righ=
t:
> "Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail."
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