[173802] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Muni Fiber and Politics
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Aug 6 12:46:24 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <CALgc3C70Sby360bPfzXnGJ=6_xqq_Yadc_txNZJoTHTgGT=DUw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 09:39:09 -0700
To: Eugeniu Patrascu <eugen@imacandi.net>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
> On Aug 5, 2014, at 10:56, Eugeniu Patrascu <eugen@imacandi.net> wrote:
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>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
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>> >>
>> >> This one is a bad idea cause you have lots of people pushing fiber thr=
ough
>> >> pipes with active fiber in them... and their incentives not to screw u=
p
>> >> other people's glass are... unclear? :-)
>> >
>> > Not really, if one company starts making mistakes, the other will also
>> > mistake their cables. It's like a working mexican standoff :)
>> >
>> >
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>> In reality, Mexican standoffs are often fatal.
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> If you blink.
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>> >> Oh, wait: the conduit installer isn't a contractor, they're a monopoly=
?
>> > The people pushing fiber through the conduits are contractors. There ar=
e a
>> > handful of companies licensed to operate this.
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>> May be workable, but seems more expensive than operating cross connects i=
n a serving wire center with little or no plausible benefit.
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> So how is blowing microfibre in some tubes more expensive? You pay a one o=
ff installation fee and then a small monthly rate for the circuit (payable y=
early).
And then when you switch providers, you pay all of that again instead of a q=
uick move of a cross connect inside a building.=20
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> The really nice and geeky part is that you can actually choose how your fi=
ber will run, so if you want diverse paths to a location you can achieve tha=
t with certainty.
Not particularly important to 99.999+% of residential users.=20
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>> >
>> >
>> >> No, that's even worse.
>> >
>> >
>> > It's not perfect, but it works.
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>> People say that about windows. I don't use it, either.
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> :) It works because it's very cheap to get high speed internet into all ki=
nds of areas, especially residential ones.
So is what I am proposing. In fact, I'm pretty sure my proposal is cheaper, e=
specially in the long run.=20
