[173682] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Owning a name
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Jul 30 20:15:27 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAC+VsLs7GDubTs2_JdKy4sUiJcnBD2z2f4N=Pm7n0jhrRwWz1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:10:26 -0700
To: Collin Anderson <collin@averysmallbird.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
On Jul 30, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Collin Anderson <collin@averysmallbird.com> =
wrote:
> An update, apparently writs of attachment were sent for not only .ir, =
but
> also .sy and .kp ccTLDs as well, based on separate cases related to =
support
> for terrorism. ICANN has filed a motion to quash the writs and taken =
the
> position that the domains are not assets.
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> Press:
> =
http://www.securityweek.com/country-specific-web-domains-cant-be-seized-ic=
ann
> Court Documents:
> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/icann-various-2014-07-30-en
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Mark Rudholm <mark@rudholm.com> =
wrote:
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>> On 06/26/2014 10:14 PM, Collin Anderson wrote:
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>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:00 PM, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> =
wrote:
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>>> I've been looking for the case in PACER, and don't see
>>>> anything filed this year against ICANN so the case doesn't even =
exist.
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>>>> Seth Charles Ben HAIM, et al., Plaintiffs, v. The ISLAMIC REPUBLIC =
OF
>>> IRAN,
>>> et al., Defendants. Civil Action No. 02-1811 (RCL)
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>>=20
>> It seems to me that even if the ccTLD delegations were removed from =
the
>> root DNS zone, all sysadmins in Iran would just add the ns.irnic.ir =
NS
>> record to their cache, effectively ignoring ICANN. I bet a lot of
>> sysadmins outside Iran would do the same thing, since it makes sense =
to
>> refer to IRNIC for Iranian DNS regardless of any court ruling.
>>=20
>> Similarly, they'd just keep using their current network numbers. It's =
not
>> like ARIN would be able to give them to someone else. Nobody would =
want
>> them. And a lot of us would continue to route those numbers to Iran.
Pretty sure that would be a RIPE, not ARIN matter since TTBOMK, Iran et. =
al. are
in the RIPE region (possibly some in AfriNIC actually).
>> Courts have shown time and again that they don't understand that =
ICANN is
>> a coordinator, not an authority.
Wonder how long it is before we recognize the need for an international =
technical court for such matters where the guy on the bench has to be =
not just a lawyer, but a nerd, too.
Owen
