[173616] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Carrier Grade NAT
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Chris Boyd)
Tue Jul 29 18:08:54 2014
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From: Chris Boyd <cboyd@gizmopartners.com>
In-Reply-To: <9856.1406652897@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:08:43 -0500
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On Jul 29, 2014, at 11:54 AM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> =
<Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 11:42:31 -0500, Chris Boyd said:
>=20
>> There's probably going to be some interesting legal fallout from that
>> practice. As an ISP customer, I'd be furious to find out that my
>> communications had been intercepted due to the bad behavior of =
another user.
>=20
> See the various lawsuits against the NSA - the vast majority have been =
summarily
> dismissed because the plaintiffs couldn't produce evidence their =
communications
> had in fact been intercepted, and thus they didn't have standing to =
sue.
True, but there is a difference in this case, since I could probably =
find a way to do discovery of the warrant/subpoena that was delivered to =
the ISP--assuming it's not an NSL. I would assume that going into court =
with evidence of the warrant/subpoena would be sufficient to grant =
standing. Or the notice of intercepted communications that I've seen a =
few times would work too.
In $DAYJOB, we're all colo/cloud, so the stuff we get specifies a =
specific date. Have not come across any that specify a few seconds of =
time as another poster noted.
In any case IANAL, so who knows until the cases start showing up on the =
dockets.....
--Chris
