[173352] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Muni Fiber and Politics - ENDGAME
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jay Ashworth)
Tue Jul 22 14:53:58 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:53:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com>
To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1407222030310.7929@uplift.swm.pp.se>
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mikael Abrahamsson" <swmike@swm.pp.se>
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2014, Jay Ashworth wrote:
>
> > You can assume $8-1200 per passing, if you fiber the entire town at
> > once
> > (my example was 12000 passings, 3-pr, in 2.3 sqmi). Then you're
> > going
> > to have to operate the core, which will take power and at least 5
> > people
> > to man it 24/7. And finally, figure on at least 4-6 multi-10GE
> > uplinks,
> > and those things don't exactly grow on trees -- there's no sense in
> > providing 1G/1G if people can't actually use it.
>
> We only want them to run the L1 network, not L2.
You and I do -- well, I think there's value in running L2 on the same
terms, but that's orthogonal to this conversation.
The OP from whom I branched, though, appeared to be talking pretty clearly
about doing L3 for free as a city service; that's the jumping-off point
from which I'm working here.
> > And where's that money come from? Yup: local taxes, mostly property.
>
> Stockholm municipal fiber (L1 only) has been operating fiber network
> since
> 1994, they're doing ~20MUSD profit on ~100MUSD turnover per year.
Yup; no news to me there's a way to make money and pay off bonds.
Cheers,
-- jra
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