[173314] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Paul WALL)
Tue Jul 22 02:25:19 2014
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 08:25:11 +0200
From: Paul WALL <pauldotwall@gmail.com>
To: George Herbert <george.herbert@gmail.com>
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
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It's not as if Brett is doing the public a service. There is Charter
Cable and CenturyLink DSL available in Laramie. He's just a wireless
provider with some crappy infrastructure that's bitter that he can't
"borrow" bandwidth from the University of Wyoming anymore, resulting
in a loss of his 100% margin on the service.
You're not a charity that's providing internet access to the poor
ignored rural folks like you claim, you're a competitive overbuilder.
You give the little boys who are deploying service where the big guys
won't a bad name.
Drive slow,
Paul
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:20 AM, George Herbert
<george.herbert@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Jul 17, 2014, at 5:19 AM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
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>> The problem is partly a technological one. If you have a fiber span fro=
m east<-> west it doesn't make sense to OEO when you can just plop in a bid=
i amplifier.
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> Almost certainly, most of the fiber going through the building just hits =
an amplifier (or nothing and isn't broken out there). Yes.
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> But they quoted a price for access, and some research turned up signs oth=
er people are doing big fiber out of that location, so my assumption at thi=
s point is that at least one pair each direction down the fiber is terminat=
ing in some router there. Possibly a fiber level wave device but seems mor=
e likely a router.
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> Unless that assumption is not true, this comes down to "We don't want you=
r antenna on our roof*, come in via fiber like everyone else" and not havin=
g met the right Layer 3 reseller yet. It's not sounding at all like "we ha=
ve to break open a fiber for you and put in a router".
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> (The rest of this indirectly aimed back at Brett, not Jared )
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> It's not 1995. Even little ISPs need to get aware and step their game up=
. Treating transit or uplink like a 1995 problem IS a short road to damnat=
ion now.
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> Seriously. The net is changing. The customers are changing, the customer=
s uses and expectations are changing. Change with it, or step out of the w=
ay. You are not an exception because you're rural. You've just got a densi=
ty and size lag. That is temporary at best. Keep up. This is critical na=
tional telecommunications infrastructure. Modern teens have mostly never u=
sed landline phones and are not OK with inadequate bandwidth at home or on =
the road.
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> Being in Laramie is not a shield against change.
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> * probably expands to "...you aren't big enough for me to bother working =
with my facility staff and filling out the paperwork to get an exception or=
lease amendment or permit and let you put an antenna on our roof, sorry", =
but this is an educated guess not informed.
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> George William Herbert
> Sent from my iPhone
