[173034] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mike Lyon)
Tue Jul 15 00:25:44 2014
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:25:11 -0700
From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>
To: Brett Glass <nanog@brettglass.com>
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
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Thanks, I am so happy I now understand what an ASN and BGP are. I had no
clue!
Fuck it, we don't need BGP anywhere. Everyone go static!
Back to the binge drinking now as I started when I first started reading
this thread...
-Mike
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Brett Glass <nanog@brettglass.com> wrote:
> Mike:
>
> An ASN is, literally, just a number. One that's used by a very awkward an=
d
> primitive routing system that requires constant babysitting and tweaking
> and, after lo these many years, still doesn't deliver the security or
> robustness it should. Obtaining this token number (and a bunch of IP
> addresses which is no different, qualitatively, from what I already have)
> would be a large expense that would not produce any additional value for =
my
> customers but could force me to raise their fees -- something which I
> absolutely do not want to do.
>
> Perhaps it's best to think of it this way: I'm outsourcing some backbone
> routing functions to my upstreams, which (generously) aren't charging me
> anything extra to do it. In my opinion, that's a good business move.
>
> As for "peering:" the definition is pretty well established. ISPs do it;
> content providers at the edge do not.
>
> Netflix is fighting a war of semantics and politics with ISPs. It is
> trying to cling to every least penny it receives and spend none of it on
> the resources it consumes or on making its delivery of content more
> efficient. We have been in conversations with it in which we've asked onl=
y
> for it to be equitable and pay us the same amount per customer as it pays
> other ISPs, such as Comcast (since, after all, they should be just as
> valuable to it). It has refused to do even that much. That's why talks
> have, for the moment, broken down and we are looking at other solutions.
>
> --Brett Glass
>
>
> At 09:58 PM 7/14/2014, Mike Lyon wrote:
>
> So we are splitting hairs with what "peering" means? And I am sure
>> Netflix (or any other content / network / CDN provider) would be more th=
an
>> happy to statically route to you? Doubtful.
>>
>> Dude, put your big boy pants on, get an ASN, get some IP space, =C3=82 I=
am a
>> smaller ISP than you I am sure and I have both. It's not rocket science.
>> How are other networks suppose to take you seriously if you don't have a=
n
>> ASN?
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>
>
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