[172876] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Miles Fidelman)
Fri Jul 11 22:56:36 2014
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:54:24 -0400
From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
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Matthew Petach wrote:
> *sigh*
>
> Fine, fine, y'all are super-attached to your
> business-y definitions of ISP.
>
> I'll clarify my earlier point to eliminate this
> confusion.
>
> To the core of the internet, if you do not have
> an AS number, you do not exist. If your business
> does not have an AS number *as far as the BGP
> speaking core of the internet is concerned, there
> is no representation for your entity, no matter
> what acronym you attach to it.*
>
> There. Confusion over. You can call yourself an
> ISP until you're blue in the face, for all the good
> it does you; the incontrovertible point I'm making
> is that you don't exist as a recognizably separate
> entity from your upstream provider from the network
> perspective.
For a lot of folks, "business-y definitions" actually matter. People
write checks and send bills, to business entities, not AS numbers.
Business entities get sued, taxed, and regulated - not AS numbers.
And, for the record, it's pretty widely acknowledge that "The World"
(Barry Shein) was the world's first commercial ISP - offering shell
access in 1989, and at some point started offering PPP dial-up
services. As I recall, they were a UUnet POP.
--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
