[172814] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Miles Fidelman)
Thu Jul 10 21:40:38 2014
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 21:40:13 -0400
From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
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Jimmy Hess wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Miles Fidelman
> <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> wrote:
>> Randy Bush wrote:
> [snip]
>> At the ISPs expense, including connectivity to a peering point. Most c=
ontent
>> providers pay Akamai, Netflix wants ISPs to pay them. Hmmm....
> Netflix own website indicates otherwise.
> https://www.netflix.com/openconnect
>
> "ISPs can directly connect their networks to Open Connect for free.
> ISPs can do this either by free peering with us at common Internet
> exchanges, or can save even more transit costs by putting our free
> storage appliances in or near their network."
>
>
From another list, I think this puts it nicely (for those of you who=20
don't know Brett, he's been running a small ISP for years=20
http://www.lariat.net/)
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At 02:42 PM 7/10/2014, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> Netflix's only fault is being popular.
Alas, as an ISP who cares about his customers, I must say that this is no=
t at all the case.
Netflix generates huge amounts of wasteful, redundant traffic and then re=
fuses to allow ISPs to correct this inefficiency via caching. It fails to=
provide adequate bandwidth for its traffic to ISPs' "front doors" and th=
en blames their downstream networks when in fact they are more than adequ=
ate. It exercises market power over ISPs (one of the first questions aske=
d by every customer who calls us is, "How well do you stream Netflix?") i=
n an attempt to force them to host their servers for free and to build ou=
t network connections for which it should be footing the bill. (Netflix t=
old us that, if we wanted to improve streaming performance, we should pay=
$10,000 per month for a dedicated link, spanning nearly 1,000 miles, to =
one of its "peering points" -- just to serve it and no other streaming pr=
ovider.) It then launches misleading PR campaigns against ISPs that dare =
to object to this behavior.
We tell prospective customers that we provide a guaranteed amount of capa=
city for them to the nearest major Internet hub. However, because Netflix=
does not have a presence at that hub, has failed to invest in adequate i=
nfrastructure, will not build out to our ISP as it has to larger ones suc=
h as Comcast, and needlessly wastes network capacity, they may or may not=
get adequate performance.
--Brett Glass
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In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
