[172446] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Thu Jun 19 07:50:52 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <CFC78BA6.1F70C%wesley.george@twcable.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 04:13:41 -0700
To: "George, Wes" <wesley.george@twcable.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
On Jun 18, 2014, at 4:02 PM, George, Wes <wesley.george@twcable.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> On 6/18/14, 4:09 PM, "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com> wrote:
>=20
>>>=20
>>> Now, consider DVRs, BluRay players, Receiver/Amplifiers, =
Televisions,
>>> etc. where there are, currently, no IPv6 capable choices available =
to
>>> the best of my knowledge.
>=20
> I think this thread exemplifies a problem among the IPv6 early =
adopters
> who like to whine about the rate of adoption: the best of (y)our =
knowledge
> is likely stale, because things are changing constantly. People are =
fond
> of trotting out the same arguments they=92ve been making for years =
about who
> is at fault for IPv6=92s weak adoption without actually verifying that =
the
> issue still exists or is as bad as last time they looked i.e. ISP
> deployment levels, level of support in equipment, etc. Not saying that =
all
> the problems are solved, or that they didn=92t contribute to the issue =
in
> the past, but the =93guy walks into a big box store=94 tale of woe =
might be a
> bit exaggerated now.
I actually tend to pay pretty close attention to the current state of =
these things.
Do you know of any of the above devices that are IPv6 capable? Nobody =
anywhere
earlier in the thread has offered one. Note I left gaming consoles out =
of the picture
because there is now one on the market which does support IPv6 and =
another which
I believe is likely to support it reasonably soon.
So while your argument has some legitimacy and I=92ve seen many people =
do it,
I don=92t think it quite applies to my statement.
> The problem now is that because IPv6 isn=92t a feature most customers =
ask
> for, a product=92s support for it (or lack thereof) is not =
consistently
> published in the vendor specs.
Sure, but that argument seems to support my idea that consumer education =
is
now necessary.
> For example: in ~September 2013 I was pleasantly surprised to find =
(via
> some colleagues observing it in the UI) that a number of current Sony =
TVs
> and BluRay players do in fact support IPv6, but at the time, it wasn=92t=
> listed as a feature on their model info on the site. Haven=92t checked =
to
> see if it=92s there now.
Interesting=85 I will look into that. FWIW, my conversations with Sony =
presages
support over their 800 number in December had them telling me that there
were no Sony products that supported IPv6 at this time, but that they =
were
considering putting it on their road map.
I will admit that I am lazy enough that once a vendor tells me they =
don=92t support
something, I don=92t dig too much deeper to try and prove them wrong.
> @sonysupportusa on twitter has been helpful when asked questions about
> specific models=92 IPv6 support, but as I told them, there=92s really =
no
> substitute for having the info on the site. It=92s not complete =
*cough* PS4
> *cough* but they=92re getting there.
> Similarly, Belkin=92s home routers appear to support IPv6, but that =
doesn=92t
> appear in the specs or features list on their site when I just checked =
it.
Yes, many of the home gateways are starting to have undocumented IPv6 =
support
and that situation is rapidly improving. Notice I also did not mention =
home
gateways as a =93no vendor support=94 issue.
> I support a recommendation to consumer retailers to start requiring =
IPv6
> support in the stuff that they sell, but unfortunately I don=92t have =
very
> good data on how large of a request that actually is.
In my experience, retailers will sell whatever flies off the shelves =
without
regard to whether it=92s good for the consumer or not. As such, I =
believe it=92s
more of a consumer education issue if we want to effect real change in =
behavior
at this point.
Owen
