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Re: Can anyone check this routing against Charter in WI?

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jason Hellenthal)
Sun Jun 15 21:15:58 2014

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From: Jason Hellenthal <jhellenthal@dataix.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:15:45 -0400
To: Michael Clark <mikeal.clark@gmail.com>
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No particular issues from where I'm at.

 Route
- #1: 12.1 ms
  IP Address: 172.31.32.1
  Hostname: gateway.dataix.local
- #2: 5.2 ms
  IP Address: 192.168.1.1
- #3: 11.5 ms
  IP Address: 10.155.64.1
- #4: 14.0 ms
  IP Address: 96.34.34.206
  Hostname: dtr02hlldmi-tge-0-1-1-2.hlld.mi.charter.com
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
- #5: 16.6 ms
  IP Address: 96.34.32.30
  Hostname: crr02aldlmi-bue-12.aldl.mi.charter.com
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
  Time Zone: America/Los_Angeles
  Region: California
  City: San Francisco
  Latitude: 37.775
  Longitude: -122.419
- #6: 20.3 ms
  IP Address: 96.34.2.10
  Hostname: bbr01aldlmi-bue-2.aldl.mi.charter.com
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
  Time Zone: America/Los_Angeles
  Region: California
  City: San Francisco
  Latitude: 37.775
  Longitude: -122.419
- #7: 23.7 ms
  IP Address: 96.34.0.99
  Hostname: bbr01chcgil-bue-4.chcg.il.charter.com
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
  Time Zone: America/Los_Angeles
  Region: California
  City: San Francisco
  Latitude: 37.775
  Longitude: -122.419
- #8: 19.9 ms
  IP Address: 96.34.3.114
  Hostname: prr02chcgil-bue-3.chcg.il.charter.com
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
  Time Zone: America/Los_Angeles
  Region: California
  City: San Francisco
  Latitude: 37.775
  Longitude: -122.419
- #9: 154.7 ms
  IP Address: 23.30.206.169
  Hostname: be-204-pe04.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net
  AS Number: AS7922
  AS Name: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
- #10: 27.5 ms
  IP Address: 68.86.83.53
  Hostname: he-3-1-0-0-cr01.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net
  AS Number: AS7922
  AS Name: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
  Time Zone: America/Los_Angeles
  Region: California
  City: San Francisco
  Latitude: 37.775
  Longitude: -122.419
- #11: 26.1 ms
  IP Address: 68.86.94.242
  Hostname: he-0-12-0-0-ar01.pontiac.mi.michigan.comcast.net
  AS Number: AS7922
  AS Name: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
  Time Zone: America/Los_Angeles
  Region: California
  City: San Francisco
  Latitude: 37.775
  Longitude: -122.419
- #12: 29.0 ms
  IP Address: 162.151.20.173
  Hostname: te-0-8-0-7-ar01.taylor.mi.michigan.comcast.net
  AS Number: AS7922
  AS Name: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
- #13: 26.9 ms
  IP Address: 68.85.223.185
  Hostname: te-7-1-ur02.ypwest.mi.michigan.comcast.net
  AS Number: AS7922
  AS Name: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US


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 Jason Hellenthal
 Voice: 95.30.17.6/616
 JJH48-ARIN

> On Jun 15, 2014, at 20:20, Michael Clark <mikeal.clark@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Well my routing isn't nearly that bad.  I haven't been able to get confirm=
ation but support said they are probably just routing around a problem and t=
hey can't get any direct feedback form network engineers.=20
>=20
> I should get an update tomorrow hopefully.  I'm also seeing some bandwidth=
 issues on charters internal network.  Something must be going on.
>=20
> Best to have up and go get some Bells :)
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Rusty Dekema <rdekema@gmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> Are you still seeing odd routing with Charter in Wisconsin? Charter's rou=
ting in Michigan seems to be going pretty crazy at the moment as well.=20
>>=20
>> The following traceroute is from a Charter residential line* in Kalamazoo=
 MI to a Comcast business (DOCSIS) line in Ypsilanti MI, by way of several u=
nknown hops, some of which are in RFC 1918 space, Sprintlink possibly in For=
t Worth TX, another unknown hop, then Comcast Dallas TX, Comcast Marietta GA=
, Comcast Ashburn VA, then finally Comcast MI. Needless to say, this is not t=
he normal route:
>>=20
>>    http://pastebin.com/9CKmea6M
>>=20
>> Tracing the same route but in the other direction also yields odd results=
. The route proceeds normally to a Comcast ibone router in 350 E. Cermak (Ch=
icago IL), but the very next hop after that router is the public IP of the C=
harter service in Kalamazoo MI as follows:
>>=20
>>    http://pastebin.com/VCCgnUsn
>>=20
>> For what it's worth, if anyone could explain to me what might cause that b=
ehavior (between hops 8 and 9), I would really appreciate the knowledge.
>>=20
>> The routing between that same Charter residential service and a Merit/Mic=
hnet endpoint in southeast Michigan is also odd, taking a detour through Vir=
ginia [xe-8-3-0.1018.asbn0.tr-cps.internet2.edu (198.71.47.25)], which it do=
es not normally do. The routing in that case does appear to be the same rega=
rdless of which side you initiate the traceroute from.
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>> Rusty Dekema
>>=20
>>=20
>> * The Charter residential line's IP address is currently reverse resolvin=
g to a Charter DHCP pool in Bay City, MI, which is over 100 miles from Kalam=
azoo. This is also unusual. The Charter service in question is now and has a=
lways been located in Kalamazoo MI.    =20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Mikeal Clark <mikeal.clark@gmail.com> w=
rote:
>>> Hoping someone auditing the list can provide some insight or a back
>>> channel support option.
>>>=20
>>> I started having some good latency spikes last night, which have
>>> continued this morning, so I finally took a look at things and I am
>>> seeing a lot more routing than I expected.  Support is telling me this
>>> is normal but I don't remember this many replies on traceroute.  My
>>> speeds are about 1/5 the normal as well this morning and seeing some
>>> dropped packets even using a test sight inside Charter's network.
>>> This is just business cable so my support options are pretty limited.
>>>=20
>>> 4    10 ms    14 ms    13 ms
>>> dtr01shbywi-tge-0-3-0-23.shby.wi.charter.com [96.34.24.178]
>>>  5    18 ms    11 ms    17 ms  dtr01wbndwi-bue-2.wbnd.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.30.17]
>>>  6    12 ms    11 ms    11 ms  dtr02wbndwi-bue-1.wbnd.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.24.56]
>>>  7    17 ms    11 ms    11 ms  dtr02fdulwi-bue-3.fdul.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.30.19]
>>>  8    13 ms    18 ms    18 ms  dtr01fdulwi-bue-1.fdul.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.19.144]
>>>  9    19 ms    14 ms    15 ms  crr03fdulwi-bue-2.fdul.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.20.8]
>>> 10    30 ms    22 ms    35 ms  crr02euclwi-bue-6.eucl.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.22.240]
>>> 11    23 ms    22 ms    43 ms  bbr02euclwi-bue-4.eucl.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.2.6]
>>> 12    22 ms    34 ms    19 ms  bbr01euclwi-bue-5.eucl.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.0.6]
>>> 13    34 ms    30 ms    38 ms
>>> bbr01stcdmn-tge-0-0-0-3.stcd.mn.charter.com [96.34.0.115]
>>> 14    42 ms    43 ms    52 ms  65.46.47.77
>>> 15    78 ms    78 ms    92 ms  ae1d0.mcr2.minneapolis-mn.us.xo.net
>>> [216.156.1.86]
>>> 16    93 ms    82 ms    82 ms  vb1711.rar3.denver-co.us.xo.net [216.156.=
0.173]
>>> 17    81 ms    95 ms    82 ms  te-3-0-0.rar3.sanjose-ca.us.xo.net
>>> [207.88.12.58]
>>> 18    83 ms    82 ms    98 ms  207.88.14.226.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.14.22=
6]
>>> 19    81 ms    78 ms    78 ms  216.156.84.6.ptr.us.xo.net [216.156.84.6]=

>>> 20    77 ms    78 ms    88 ms
>>> xe-2-2-0-955.jnrt-edge02.prod1.netflix.com [69.53.225.30]
>>> 21    86 ms    78 ms    78 ms  te1-8.csrt-agg02.prod1.netflix.com
>>> [69.53.225.10]
>>> 22    79 ms    78 ms    82 ms  www.trynetflix.com [69.53.236.17]
>>>=20
>>>  4    12 ms    11 ms     8 ms
>>> dtr01shbywi-tge-0-3-0-23.shby.wi.charter.com [96.34.24.178]
>>>  5    17 ms    10 ms    12 ms  dtr01wbndwi-bue-2.wbnd.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.30.17]
>>>  6    11 ms     9 ms    15 ms  dtr02wbndwi-bue-1.wbnd.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.24.56]
>>>  7    15 ms    18 ms    18 ms  dtr02fdulwi-bue-3.fdul.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.30.19]
>>>  8    16 ms    14 ms    11 ms  dtr01fdulwi-bue-1.fdul.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.19.144]
>>>  9    20 ms    14 ms    15 ms  crr03fdulwi-bue-2.fdul.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.20.8]
>>> 10    22 ms    22 ms    18 ms  crr02euclwi-bue-6.eucl.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.22.240]
>>> 11    18 ms    22 ms    22 ms  bbr02euclwi-bue-4.eucl.wi.charter.com
>>> [96.34.2.6]
>>> 12    35 ms    30 ms    31 ms  bbr01chcgil-bue-1.chcg.il.charter.com
>>> [96.34.0.9]
>>> 13    27 ms    27 ms    27 ms  prr01chcgil-bue-2.chcg.il.charter.com
>>> [96.34.3.9]
>>> 14    27 ms    27 ms    27 ms
>>> 96-34-152-30.static.unas.mo.charter.com [96.34.152.30]
>>> 15    29 ms    32 ms    27 ms  209.85.244.1
>>> 16    27 ms    27 ms    28 ms  209.85.254.238
>>> 17    54 ms    40 ms    40 ms  209.85.248.214
>>> 18    38 ms    40 ms    38 ms  216.239.43.217
>>> 19     *        *        *     Request timed out.
>>> 20    44 ms    40 ms    40 ms  google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]
>>=20

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