[171948] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Scott Helms)
Fri May 16 16:27:24 2014
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Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 16:27:15 -0400
From: Scott Helms <khelms@zcorum.com>
To: Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
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Michael,
I didn't claim Webrtc is vapor, I claim that pervasive video calling is
vapor. Further, even if that prediction is wrong pervasive video calling
isn't enough even if 100% of users adopt it to swing the need for
symmetrical bandwidth. An average Skype/Google Hangout/Apple is less than
400 kbps at peak and averages something like 150 kbps.
http://www.digitalsociety.org/2010/08/iphone-facetime-bandwidth-gets-measured/
Scott Helms
Vice President of Technology
ZCorum
(678) 507-5000
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On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:
> Scott Helms wrote:
>
>> I think you will, all of those things have been around for a long time
>> (well, except for pervasive video calls, which I think is vapor) and none
>> generate the kind of traffic it takes to congest a decent link. Most of
>> the DOCSIS systems I've worked with are running at least 6 mbps upstreams
>> and many are well into the double digits. My current connection (tested
>> this morning) is about 22 mbps.
>>
>
> Um, no it's not vapor. Webrtc is quite real, and the barrier to
> implementation
> for any random web site is weeks, not years as was the case before.
>
> I just saw this that you wrote:
>
> > 1) Very few consumers are walking around with a HD or 4K camera
> today.
>
> In the US, we just surpassed 1/2 of the population who have that
> capability, iirc. They
> call them phones nowadays.
>
> Mike
>
>
>> Scott Helms
>> Vice President of Technology
>> ZCorum
>> (678) 507-5000
>> --------------------------------
>> http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
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>>
>> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com <mailto:
>> mike@mtcc.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Scott Helms wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> In my experience you're not alone, just in a really tiny group.
>> As I said I have direct eyeballs on ~500k devices and the
>> ability to see another 10 million anytime I want and the
>> percentage of people who cap their upstream in both of those
>> sample groups for more than 15 minutes (over the last 3 years)
>> is about 0.2%. Interestingly if a customer does it once they
>> have about a 70% chance of doing it regularly.
>>
>>
>> Well, given Sling, Dropbox, iCloud, pervasive video calls (you have
>> heard about webrtc, yes?
>> 24/7 babycams!), youtube, etc, etc, I won't be a "tiny group" for
>> long.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>
