[171833] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (McElearney, Kevin)
Thu May 15 12:42:02 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: "McElearney, Kevin" <Kevin_McElearney@cable.comcast.com>
To: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 16:41:09 +0000
In-Reply-To: <E5A94928-0E0B-49C8-828C-21AC01C6C9D1@puck.nether.net>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
This is a smart group. If if that was true I think every internet site / se=
rvice one visits from home would be a negatively impacted. That is not the=
case
As I said before, Comcast also has over 40 balanced peers with plenty of ca=
pacity. Wholesale $$ are very small, highly competitive and only "skin in =
the game" to promote efficiencies
- Kevin
> On May 15, 2014, at 12:01 PM, "Jared Mauch" <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote=
:
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>> On May 15, 2014, at 11:50 AM, McElearney, Kevin <Kevin_McElearney@cable.=
comcast.com> wrote:
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>> There is no gaming on measurements and disputes are isolated and tempora=
ry with issues not unique over the history of the internet. I think all th=
e same rhetorical quotes continue to be reused
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> Kevin,
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> in the past most issues were transient for a few months as both sides got=
complaints, but while at RIPE earlier this week someone commented to me: t=
here's no one provider you can buy access from to get a packet-loss free co=
nnection to all their other business partners/customers. This hurts the en=
tire marketplace when there is persistent congestion.
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> Some of these issues are related to (as Craig called them) "Hypergiants" =
(OTT) but others are due to providers having poor capital models so they do=
n't have "budget" for upgrading unless someone pays for that upgrade, vs se=
eing their existing customer base as that source for the capital.
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> As an engineer, I'm hopeful that those responsible for budgeting will do =
the right thing. As a greedy capitalist, please pay me more $$$. It does =
feel a bit like tic-tac-toe with zero players in wargames though, the only =
way to win is to not play [games].
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> - Jared
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