[171786] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed May 14 10:25:31 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <1D59F949-7A80-48E7-8586-9A1DF58D6260@ianai.net>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 06:34:51 -0700
To: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
While I applaud NZ being open and honest about it, I do think that they =
have gone quite a bit further than the NSA and that their proposal is =
far more damaging.
Owen
On May 13, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net> =
wrote:
> Exactly. They just broke in and left a trail of open doors behind.
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> Again, not saying either is good, just saying at least NZ is being =
"above board".
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> TTFN,
> patrick
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> On May 13, 2014, at 14:01 , Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
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>> I didn=92t see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are demanding =
advance approval rights on our maintenance procedures.
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>> Owen
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>> On May 13, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net> =
wrote:
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>>> Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this. But at least they did it =
in the open, unlike the NSA (where you live).
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>>> TTFN,
>>> patrick
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>>> On May 13, 2014, at 12:12 , Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
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>>>> Yep=85 If I had infrastructure in NZ, that would be enough to cause =
me to remove it.
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>>>> Owen
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>>>> On May 13, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Paul Ferguson =
<fergdawgster@mykolab.com> wrote:
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>>>>> I realize that New Zealand is *not* in North America (hence =
NANOG),
>>>>> but I figure that some global providers might be interested here.
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>>>>> This sounds rather... dire (probably not the right word).
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>>>>> "The new Telecommunications (Interception Capability and Security) =
Act
>>>>> of 2013 is in effect in New Zealand and brings in several drastic
>>>>> changes for ISPs, telcos and service providers. One of the =
country's
>>>>> spy agencies, the GCSB, gets to decide on network equipment
>>>>> procurement and design decisions (PDF), plus operators have to
>>>>> register with the police and obtain security clearance for some =
staff.
>>>>> Somewhat illogically, the NZ government pushed through the law
>>>>> combining mandated communications interception capabilities for =
law
>>>>> enforcement, with undefined network security requirements as =
decided
>>>>> by the GCSB. All network operators are subject to the new law,
>>>>> including local providers as well as the likes of Facebook, =
Google,
>>>>> Microsoft, who have opposed it, saying the new statutes clash with
>>>>> overseas privacy legislation."
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>>>>> =
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/05/13/005259/new-zealand-spy-agency-to-ve=
t-network-builds-provider-staff
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>>>>> FYI,
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>>>>> - - ferg
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>>>>> Paul Ferguson
>>>>> VP Threat Intelligence, IID
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