[171430] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: What Net Neutrality should and should not cover
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Tue Apr 29 13:35:26 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <535EA848.3050201@meetinghouse.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:36:50 -0700
To: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
Cc: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
On Apr 28, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Miles Fidelman =
<mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> wrote:
> Barry Shein wrote:
>> I think the problem is simply a lack of competition and the rise of,
>> in effect, vertical trusts. That is, content providers also
>> controlling last-mile services.
>>=20
>> What exists is rife with conflict of interest and unfair market
>> power. Particularly in that wire-plants are generally protected
>> monopolies or small-N oligopolies.
>>=20
>> The wire-plant* operators and content providers need to be separated
>> and competition needs to be mandated by allowing easy and fair access
>> to wire-plants.
>>=20
>> Wire-plant operators should be closely regulated. Content providers
>> should not, in general, be regulated.
>>=20
>>=20
>> * Which of course may not involve any actual wires but it's a term of
>> art, L1/L2 if you prefer.
>=20
> I kind of think Layer 3 - metropolitan area IP carriage seems to be =
where the issues converge. Somehow the notion of multiple IP providers, =
operating across unbundled fiber, doesn=92t seem to work out in =
practice.
It=92s working quite well in areas where it=92s been tried in earnest.
> Yes, there are a few municipal networks that provide Ethernet VPNs as =
the basic block of unbundled service - with multiple players providing =
various Internet (IP), video, and voice services on their own VPNs; and =
there are some networks, particularly in Canada, where the unit of =
unbundling is a wavelength, on a common fiber/conduit plant; but in most =
cases, economies of scale seem to dictate a single IP-layer fabric for a =
geographic area. (Think campus and enterprise networks.)
If you build out a fiber plant with home runs to colocation facilities =
where providers can meet subscriber lines, the economies of scale can =
generally work and do in some areas.
While active ethernet to the subscriber isn=92t necessarily viable, GPON =
with the splitter at the MMR is just as viable as GPON with the splitter =
in the neighborhood. This was, in fact, discussed at length a while back =
on this very list.
Owen
