[171405] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (bedard.phil@gmail.com)
Mon Apr 28 11:57:15 2014
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To: Jack Bates <jbates@paradoxnetworks.net>,
Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com>,
"nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
From: <bedard.phil@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:56:55 -0400
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If it was Netflix connected to say Cogent and Comcast connected to Level3 y=
ou would have the same unbalanced ratios between Cogent/Level3 for the same=
reasons. Level3 would likely be wanting compensation from Cogent for it..=
. It is such a large amount of bandwidth these days it's not made up by ot=
her traffic. =20
I am not saying any of it is right, but precedents in the past have led to =
this.=20
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: "Jack Bates" <jbates@paradoxnetworks.net>
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To: "Phil Bedard" <bedard.phil@gmail.com>; "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <ops.li=
sts@gmail.com>; "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they coulden=
shrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post
On 4/28/2014 9:18 AM, Phil Bedard wrote:
> People seem to forget what Comcast is doing is nothing new. People have
> been paying for unbalanced peering for as long as peering has been around=
.
> It's a little different because Netflix doesn't have an end network
> customer to bill to recoup those charges, they have customers on someone
> else's network.
Yeah. It's a scam. Comcast can't do balanced peering. Their customers=20
are not symmetrical.
> It's not like all broadband providers are anti-Netflix, some are even
> starting to include NF as an app on their STB. There are also many who d=
o
> peer with Netflix settlement-free even with very unbalanced ratios. The
> key in the future is moving the bandwidth closer to the users, and we wil=
l
> see more edge caching exist either within the broadband provider
> facilities or at more localized 3rd party datacenters.
>
>
Netflix is happy to assist with caching. The thing is, Comcast doesn't=20
care about that. What they care about is that their last mile is getting=20
saturated and they have to pay money to upgrade it. Costs are being=20
shoved onto netflix and similar to justify that.
This is compared to the small ISP who is just happy to get a peering or=20
cache to save money only on their transit fees.
Jack
