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Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jay Ashworth)
Sun Apr 27 18:16:07 2014

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 18:15:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com>
To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hugo Slabbert" <hslabbert@stargate.ca>

> But this isn't talking about transit; this is about Comcast as an edge
> network in this context and Netflix as a content provider sending to
> Comcast users the traffic that they requested. Is there really
> anything more nuanced here than:
> 
> 1. Comcast sells connectivity to their end users and sizes their
> network according to an oversubscription ratio they're happy with.
> (Nothing wrong here; oversubscription is a fact of life).
> 2. Bandwidth-heavy applications like Netflix enter the market.
> 3. Comcast's customers start using these bandwidth-heavy applications
> and suck in more data than Comcast was betting on.
> 4. Comcast has to upgrade connectivity, e.g. at peering points with
> the heavy inbound traffic sources, accordingly in order to satisfy
> their customers' usage.

You may be new here, but I'm not, and I read it exactly the same way.

> How is this *not* Comcast's problem? If my users are requesting more
> traffic than I banked on, how is it not my responsibility to ensure I
> have capacity to handle that? I have gear; you have gear. I upgrade or
> add ports on my side; you upgrade or add ports on your side. Am I
> missing something?

It is absolutely the problem of the eyeball carrier who gambled on a
given oversubscription ratio and discovered that it's called gambling 
because sometimes, you lose.

Cheers,
-- jra
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